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26 June 2015, 22:53
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Country: UK - England
Town: Southampton
Make: Avon Sea Rider
Length: 5m +
Engine: 1995 Mercury 75HP
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Overheating Yanmar Diesel Inboard
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26 June 2015, 23:06
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Country: UK - England
Town: Royal Wootton Bassett
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I would take it back! Also I would contact yam man who is the dude in your area.
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26 June 2015, 23:09
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I'm no expert on inboard engines. But in my car experiences overheating in the example shown I'd be immediately assuming that leaking liquid was coolant. That system looks to be under a decent bit of pressure. While coolant will have pressure that looks more than normal. There is two possibilities that come to mind: the coolant is hot and building up a head of steam as a result OR the cylinder head is leaking causing pressure in the coolant.
Low oil if it was genuinely low would reduce lubrication causing the engine to heat up. However a head gasket leak could also cause a loss of oil.
In short the two may well be related. Neither are good. Did you carry on running the engine back?
What is the white can? It clearly needs replaced. But I'm sceptical that sorting that coolant leak alone is going to sort your oil alarm.
(As an aside on a car the Red Oil Light is usually Oil Pressure rather than Oil Level - although a really low level will give low pressure. Orange Oil light on modern car is level... ...not sure which the Yanmar uses but suspect pressure - that being on is NOT GOOD...)
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26 June 2015, 23:16
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Country: UK - England
Town: Poole
Boat name: El Mono
Make: Ribtec 9M
Length: 9m +
Engine: Yanmar 315/Bravo III
Join Date: Aug 2012
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"Yam man" (Graham) on here (local to you as well) is an expert in these engines, and has done a lot of the hard work on mine for me! I can highly recommend him if you want a professional to take a look.
From the pics I can't quite tell what the white thing is - a fuel pre filter that has rusted through at the top? Certainly stuff shouldn't be coming out of it…! Looks like it needs to be replaced.
Were you getting steady cooling water out the exhaust, any blockages in the water intake pipework or water filter unit? I assume the water inlet seacock is fully open? If overheating (or running warmer than usual on the gauge) I would check those first.
Did you dip the oil before setting off and know if the level changed significantly during your passage, or was if it fairly low to begin with?
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26 June 2015, 23:18
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Originally Posted by m4gu1re
Hi guys, am after some advice please
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I seem to remember Beamishken advising you to not buy that engine
Please don't take this personally, but you're way in over your head. That poor thing needs professional attention and you need someone to talk you through the entire (working) system.
Why do you think the oil level was low? Did it dip low or was it a warning lamp? Overheating: Was there raw cooling water flow? Was there sufficient coolant? Was there a coolant leak? The possibilities are legion and you risk wrecking the engine (if it isn't already). BTW, how do you know the engine was serviced? Did you see receipts?
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27 June 2015, 00:14
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Country: UK - England
Town: Southampton
Make: Avon Sea Rider
Length: 5m +
Engine: 1995 Mercury 75HP
Join Date: Sep 2013
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Cheers guys. I have gone halves with original owner who's currently away. It's only the second time I've taken boat out and always had outboards before. Advice is appreciated before I speak to him about it.
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27 June 2015, 01:11
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Country: UK - Scotland
Town: north ayrshire
Boat name: charlie girl
Make: S/R5.4/regal3760
Length: 10m +
Engine: Suzukidf70 2x6lp 315
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Comes as no surprise that that thing is overheating the white canister looks like a fuel filter so presumably leaking diesel
Possible causes of overheating one or more of the following:-
Blocked oil cooler
Blocked intercooler
Blocked heat exchanger
Worn or damaged raw water pump
Low water level in header tank / exhaust manifold
Blown head gasket
Cracked block
Colapsed intake hose
Blocked raw water intake
Plus a few I've probably missed
A service wouldn't show up a overheating problem unless it included an extended sea trial which they usually don't
You need expert advice which unfortunately doesn't come cheap
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27 June 2015, 01:13
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Member
Country: UK - England
Town: Southampton
Make: Avon Sea Rider
Length: 5m +
Engine: 1995 Mercury 75HP
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Cheers. It was supposedly a Yanmar engineer that did the service, a friend of the now part owner. The things mentioned give me a head start when bringing it up with him. Appreciated.
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27 June 2015, 01:59
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perhaps not what you want to hear but the only thing you need to bring up with him is i want out and get your wedge back. seriously, that has not been looked after that motor. if the motor hasn't been looked after then what else hasn't!?!
i do hope you didn't trust the owners friend that the motor has been serviced and you paid for your own due diligence before buying it?
cheers
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27 June 2015, 07:00
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Member
Country: UK - Scotland
Town: Aberdeenshire
Boat name: Sula
Make: Ribcraft 4.8m
Length: 4m +
Engine: Tohatsu 70hp + aux
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Looks like a fuel filter is peeing out diesel. Judging by the picture of the engine compartment, it's taken a knock with the engine cowl or lid, rusted through, etc. That still wouldn't explain the overheating.
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27 June 2015, 14:15
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Member
Country: USA
Town: Brighton Michigan
Boat name: AWOL
Make: Zodiac
Length: 7m +
Engine: Yanmar diesel
Join Date: Jan 2009
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White canister
I believe white canister in photo is a fuel conditioner for a floscan fuel flow meter.
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28 June 2015, 19:41
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Member
Country: UK - Scotland
Town: north ayrshire
Boat name: charlie girl
Make: S/R5.4/regal3760
Length: 10m +
Engine: Suzukidf70 2x6lp 315
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I'm in the market for a project if you want to bail out
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28 June 2015, 20:19
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Quote:
Originally Posted by beamishken
I'm in the market for a project if you want to bail out
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I'll go halves with you if its been serviced etc
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28 June 2015, 20:43
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Country: UK - England
Town: Mighty Penryn
Boat name: Little Joe.
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Engine: Honda BF50
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My last 'hot' inboard cost me just shy of £6k to sort. Best of luck.
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28 June 2015, 21:40
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Member
Country: UK - Scotland
Town: north ayrshire
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Make: S/R5.4/regal3760
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Engine: Suzukidf70 2x6lp 315
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I've been looking for a diesel inboard project for a while & I already have a hard hull cruiser with 6lp's fitted & I know what they cost to fix
In my opinion the only way to go with the engine in this rib is a full engine out strip & rebuild strip & clean every cooler paint everything & refit it anything less is pure fire fighting
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28 June 2015, 22:31
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Country: UK - England
Town: Mighty Penryn
Boat name: Little Joe.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by beamishken
In my opinion the only way to go with the engine in this rib is a full engine out strip & rebuild strip
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I think that I agree.
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29 June 2015, 00:16
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Member
Country: UK - England
Town: Margate / Ramsgate
Boat name: Bumbl
Make: Scorpion
Length: 8m +
Engine: Yanmar diesel
Join Date: Feb 2002
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Alpha is correct the canister shown is a damper for a flo scan system.
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29 June 2015, 00:19
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Member
Country: UK - England
Town: Margate / Ramsgate
Boat name: Bumbl
Make: Scorpion
Length: 8m +
Engine: Yanmar diesel
Join Date: Feb 2002
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The 6LP sea water cooling can be accessed at a number of points by removing hoses. It would be worth breaking into the system and re-directing flow into a bucket from each point in turn.. If you time how long it takes to fill the bucket and repeat adding each component you may identify a restriction on the sea water cooling.
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01 July 2015, 01:12
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Town: Southern Ontario
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Make: SeaMax
Length: 4m +
Engine: Merc/Minn Kota
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not a matter of being an expert. captain had the controls, seen the warnings. Overheating's a big deal. GOOD LUCK.
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01 July 2015, 07:39
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Member
Country: UK - England
Town: southampton
Boat name: hydradrive
Make: yamaha
Length: no boat
Engine: sterndrives
Join Date: Sep 2012
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Looks abused , from the pics . Most probably blocked coolers .
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