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31 March 2020, 00:23
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Country: Other
Town: Principalite d'Chaos
Boat name: The Nashers Revenge!
Make: Windsor Brothers
Length: 6m +
Engine: Optimax 225
MMSI: "Mmmmm SI" she said!
Join Date: Jan 2004
Posts: 4,924
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Prop for new engine
When I can get hold of it from where it's stuck during lockdown I'll be fitting a new(to me) engine to The Nashers Revenge, and would like to look out for props on EBAY etc whilst I'm waiting.
Can anyone suggest a starting point to try.
The hull is a 6.5M Ocean, a little known heavyish commercial hull.
I don't know it's weight or waterline length, and can't measure them at the moment. the planning pad is slightly rounded and it's quite a deep V Hull
See images for hull shape.
It's currently fitted with a Suzuki 200EFI XL which has been great for many years.
After some initial mucking about I settled on a 3 blade Stainless Steel Suzuki prop. 14.25"Dia x 21" Pitch.
I normally cruise @28-30knots with 2 to 4 passengers and that prop/engine has been a good combination.
I once with a light load and just me on board saw 52knts on the GPS at WOT @5600RPM, but never repeated it. WOT normally gave @45-48knts with a couple of passengers on board.
I'll be fitting a 225 XL Optimax - see image.
The increase in HP is because I just couldn't find a 200HP engine, so took a 25Kg weight penalty instead. Oh and i couldn't bring myself to fit a lower HP engine.
My current thinking is that the prop will be in the same place, spinning at @ the same revs, and I'll be using the same amount of power as the old engine most of the time, so I should start with a prop of the same size as before.
What do the gurus and oracles think?
Thanks
Nasher.
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31 March 2020, 08:14
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Country: UK - England
Length: 7m +
Join Date: Aug 2009
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Makes sense, get a used one of ebay that is decent.
I have the following, 1 x Stainless Steel Mercury Marine Laser 2 Prop, 3 blade, diameter I think is 14 1/4 x 21 pitch code on prop 48-16546, used slight rough edge on blades (very slight), yamaha fitting centre bit included if fitting on yamaha or if mercury just remove or get mercury centre part ? £100.00 (pick up from Ringwood Area)
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31 March 2020, 09:27
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Member
Country: Other
Town: Principalite d'Chaos
Boat name: The Nashers Revenge!
Make: Windsor Brothers
Length: 6m +
Engine: Optimax 225
MMSI: "Mmmmm SI" she said!
Join Date: Jan 2004
Posts: 4,924
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BTB Hi, and thanks for the comment.
The part number for the prop you have is shown as a 13 7/8" X 21P when I goggle it, so a bit smaller (3/8") in diameter.
Thanks for the offer but I'll have a look to see if I can find an exact match over the coming weeks.
Nasher.
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31 March 2020, 11:47
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Member
Country: UK - Scotland
Make: HumberOceanOffshore
Length: 8m +
Engine: Volvo KAD300/DPX
Join Date: Oct 2002
Posts: 5,596
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Nasher, keep your eyes peeled for a torqueshift, they're still about, it'll transform your boat...and no, you're not getting mine!
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31 March 2020, 11:50
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Member
Country: Other
Town: Principalite d'Chaos
Boat name: The Nashers Revenge!
Make: Windsor Brothers
Length: 6m +
Engine: Optimax 225
MMSI: "Mmmmm SI" she said!
Join Date: Jan 2004
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Thanks JW will keep my eyes open for one.
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31 March 2020, 12:34
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Member
Country: UK - England
Town: Abersoch
Boat name: vanishing point
Make: phantom, Ribtec
Length: 6m +
Engine: 200hp
Join Date: Nov 2014
Posts: 501
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Who doesn't like shiny prop buying ! Think the Mercury mirage plus is similar diameter to your old prop
Lots of information on the Mercury prop website
http://www.mercurymarine.com/en-gb/e...s/mirage-plus/
I have had good results with laser 2 props on various V6 Mercury engine's
Keith's garage is probably like a prop shop !
My choice would be start with a laser 2 23pitch or mirage plus 21pitch
Think I've got both that you could try but we're miles apart
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31 March 2020, 12:53
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Member
Country: UK - Scotland
Town: Easdale
Boat name: Miss Isle
Make: Solent 6.9
Length: 6m +
Engine: 225 optimax
Join Date: Jan 2008
Posts: 1,427
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I’ve a laser 2 21p on mine. 225hp optimax on a Solent rib 6.9 metre. I top out at approx 55 mph fuel is about 1 litre a mile not checked it sensibly. Hole shot is good and it’s in the right rev range for WOT. Hope that helps
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31 March 2020, 17:46
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Country: UK - England
Town: Chesterfield
Boat name: Sea Quell
Make: Picton Cobra
Length: 5m +
Engine: Mercury 150 4 Stroke
MMSI: 235038298
Join Date: Sep 2003
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I have a brand new ,,, never used, 22" Laser II with hub kit etc if you are interested . Still in the Mercury Marine box
Jeff
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01 April 2020, 20:01
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Member
Country: UK - England
Town: Dorset
Boat name: Seabadger 2
Make: Delta / Ribcraft 6.8
Length: 7m +
Engine: Various
MMSI: -
Join Date: May 2010
Posts: 743
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I've an almost new 16" pitch vengeance prop for sale if you somehow find your calcs and assumptions were miles out! (I doubt that will be the case)
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01 April 2020, 21:14
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Country: UK - England
Town: The wilds of Wiltshire
Boat name: Dominator
Make: SR5.4
Length: 7m +
Engine: Yam 85
MMSI: 235055163
Join Date: Jul 2005
Posts: 13,069
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I ran a Laser 2 21" on the same motor on the Ballistic 7.8 . I reckon you probably want a 23" pitch as you'll be a bit lighter.
Think I've got a 19" and 21" kicking about somewhere, not pristine though. I think they've got the right hubs in.
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01 April 2020, 21:15
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RIBnet admin team
Country: UK - England
Town: The wilds of Wiltshire
Boat name: Dominator
Make: SR5.4
Length: 7m +
Engine: Yam 85
MMSI: 235055163
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Jeff
I have a brand new ,,, never used, 22" Laser II with hub kit etc if you are interested . Still in the Mercury Marine box
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22" is the wrong gearcase size I think?
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02 April 2020, 00:07
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Country: UK - England
Make: Ribcraft
Length: 5m +
Engine: Yamaha
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I know of a used 23” laser 2 going cheap if interested,
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02 April 2020, 10:22
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Member
Country: Other
Town: Principalite d'Chaos
Boat name: The Nashers Revenge!
Make: Windsor Brothers
Length: 6m +
Engine: Optimax 225
MMSI: "Mmmmm SI" she said!
Join Date: Jan 2004
Posts: 4,924
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Thanks all.
Nos, you make a good point.
Jeff, that 22" sounds interesting, but I'd imagine the cost might be a little high on the 'Hard to justify with Lady Nasher' scale.
Can anyone confirm Nos's thoughts on the gear case size?
Diver 1, thanks but 16" is a bit too low to try.
Phantom, I'd imagine if the 22 doesn't fit the 23 won't, but I'll do some research.
Nasher.
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02 April 2020, 10:35
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Member
Country: UK - England
Town: Abersoch
Boat name: vanishing point
Make: phantom, Ribtec
Length: 6m +
Engine: 200hp
Join Date: Nov 2014
Posts: 501
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22pitch laser 2 is for 75hp - 125hp
17,19,21,23&25 pitch in the laser 2 range is for your opti
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02 April 2020, 10:54
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Member
Country: Other
Town: Principalite d'Chaos
Boat name: The Nashers Revenge!
Make: Windsor Brothers
Length: 6m +
Engine: Optimax 225
MMSI: "Mmmmm SI" she said!
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Thanks WL.
Much appreciated
Nasher
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02 April 2020, 11:00
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Member
Country: Other
Town: Principalite d'Chaos
Boat name: The Nashers Revenge!
Make: Windsor Brothers
Length: 6m +
Engine: Optimax 225
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Nos4r2
Think I've got a 19" and 21" kicking about somewhere, not pristine though. I think they've got the right hubs in.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by phantom 19
I know of a used 23” laser 2 going cheap if interested,
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Gents
Hi.
Could you PM me what you'd want for them please.
I'm in the habit of carrying a spare(plus nut, washer and pin), but it doesn't have to be the ideal size, just to get me home.
So will be looking for two props.
Nasher.
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02 April 2020, 13:01
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Country: UK - England
Make: Ribcraft
Length: 5m +
Engine: Yamaha
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As above general rule for merc props even number small hub, odd numbers are v6 hub, but there are a few exception, 15p vengeance for small hub for example.
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02 April 2020, 13:03
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Country: UK - England
Town: Chesterfield
Boat name: Sea Quell
Make: Picton Cobra
Length: 5m +
Engine: Mercury 150 4 Stroke
MMSI: 235038298
Join Date: Sep 2003
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Nos4r2
22" is the wrong gearcase size I think?
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Correct Nos4 :-) .... typo . It is a 21"
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03 April 2020, 13:49
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Country: UK - England
Town: Southampton
Boat name: SMH Rib / War Shot
Make: Ribtec / Scorpion
Length: 4m +
Engine: 100hp Yam/150hp opt
Join Date: Sep 2003
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I've got a selection of 19" and 21" Mercury stainless props in the garage from when I re-engined.
Tried loads - but found that the 19" laser II that we had been using all along was what we needed.
The 4 blade ones I have gave some stern lift but no other gain - and they were heavy making a very noisy clunk when shifting gear.
For your set up I'd start with a 21" and go from there.
I'll see what i've got - you're welcome to borrow them.
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03 April 2020, 18:27
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Member
Country: UK - England
Town: Chesterfield
Boat name: Sea Quell
Make: Picton Cobra
Length: 5m +
Engine: Mercury 150 4 Stroke
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Searider
The 4 blade ones I have gave some stern lift but no other gain - and they were heavy making a very noisy clunk when shifting gear.
For your set up I'd start with a 21" and go from there.
I'll see what i've got - you're welcome to borrow them.
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Yes,,, for the heavy 4 blade ones eg Rev 4 or even the new larger dia Enertia Eco you really need the Flo torq IV hub kits
https://www.quicksilver-products.com...q-iv-hub-kits/
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