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24 January 2003, 10:12
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Country: UK - England
Town: Edenbridge
Boat name: Scorpion
Make: Scorpion 8.5mtr
Length: 8m +
Engine: 315hp Yanmar Diesel
Join Date: Aug 2002
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Soltron
Hi There
I'm interested in using Soltron. Can you tell us abit more about it, I know that it saves fuel etc but does it do anything else like help protect the engine clean bits etc.
Julian
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24 January 2003, 11:13
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Country: UK - Channel Islands
Town: St Martins
Boat name: MATRIX
Make: Jeanneau Leader 805
Length: 8.05
Engine: Volvo KAD 43 Diesel
Join Date: Jan 2003
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Soltron
Julian
Soltron will certainly help keep your fuel, fuel tank, fuel lines, filters, valves, head, piston and exhaust clean.
Soltrons enzyme goes instantly to work in the tank where the enzymes break down dirt, sludge, microbes, and other forms of contamination into small enough particles to pass through your fuel filters through your injectors (in such small microns that they do no harm or cause pitting therefore, prolonging the service life) and is burnt out of the exhaust system.
Soltron enables the fuel to be burnt at a lower air/fuel ratio which ensures a cleaner burn reducing black smoke and improving economy. this also provides more power under load as the fuel is combusting fully.
A recent MIL-S-53021 Filterability test which shows essentially that contaminated fuel, dosed with Soltron at 400 ppm v/v passes about 1.4 times quicker through a 0.8 micron filter than untreated contaminated fuel. This is improved with continuos use until all the particles have been broken down and removed from the system. I cant remember of the top of my head what is the standard size for boat filters, if someone can remind me of the micron size for that I would be grateful.
I know Alan Priddy is pleased with the product so it has been road tested fully, over 23000 miles in a Yamaha diesel.
Have plenty more info but would bore you for ages. Try it if you want then you can make your own evaluation.
All the best
Dom
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24 January 2003, 11:48
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Country: UK - England
Town: Bristol
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Ok I'm intrigued.
Is there a retail outlet in England and what sort of money are we talking about for Soltron.
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Martin
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24 January 2003, 11:57
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Country: Other
Make: FB 55
Length: 10m +
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Welcome to our little Cyber-world Dom.
I think it is of huge benefit to all forum members if persons within the marine industry, that is manufacturers, suppliers etc partake in our discussions. Not only to educate us with their valuable insight, experience and recommendations, but to settle, shall we say, differences of opinion. Obviously forum members will start getting slightly peeved if this forum is used for unsolicited and gratuitous selling of their wares.
See you in Gsy Dom - I'm afraid I have petrol engines
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24 January 2003, 12:14
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Country: UK - England
Town: scotland
Boat name: Leviathan
Make: Phantom
Length: 8m +
Engine: GM Diesels
Join Date: Jan 2003
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I've been using soltron in my boat for a year or so, I got in
jersey from a little garage in st Aubin, it's very hard to decide if it makes any diffrerence to performance/emision but as it is also supposed to stop the "bug" I figure it wont hurt any! I think it was about £20 per bottle (but could be wrong) but can't remember the volume of the dispencer, something like 250 mil.
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24 January 2003, 12:34
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Country: UK - England
Town: Portsmouth
Boat name: Not sure
Make: ABC/Priddy
Length: 10m +
Engine: 2 x 500 FPT
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We have been using Soltron for two years and I can honestly say that it works. To prove to ourselves it effectivness we did two 1200 miles runs, one with soltron and one without, both at the same revs and same conditions. On the first leg it gave us an extra 8% fuel saving with and nearly run out as we approched the Lizard on the second without!
On the Around the World we used 46,875.3 litres of diesel, some very poor in quality and only changed the filter once. As far as water, we only drained 3 litres in the entire trip (Loads from inside the cabin but little from the engine)
Cannot comment on performance but it definatly reduces the smoke on start up, Alan P
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24 January 2003, 12:54
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Country: UK - England
Town: scotland
Boat name: Leviathan
Make: Phantom
Length: 8m +
Engine: GM Diesels
Join Date: Jan 2003
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Allan P,
10,000 galls of fuel, scarey, wouldn't want your fuel bill.
Still, imagine if it were a 8,2 Litre mercruiser!,..... second thoughts, lets not!
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24 January 2003, 13:00
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Country: UK - Isle of Man
Town: Peel, IOM
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A couple of questions if I may:
1. Can you start to use Soltron, then because you can't find any, stop using it? And does this cause a problem?
2. As ones fuel tanks, at any one time, contain an amount of fuel that is only approximatable, does it matter if you add a bit too much or too little?
3. Does it's use effect engine temperature?
4. What is the very approximate additive cost of using Soltron per litre of fuel? For example, if fuel casts 25p per litre and Soltron gives 10% better performance but adds 20% to the effective cost of a litre of fuel, then this is a factor to be taken into account.
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24 January 2003, 13:24
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Country: UK - Scotland
Town: Hilton-of-Cadboll
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I assume it is suitable for my Mondeo Turbo Diesel estate car?
Keith Hart
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24 January 2003, 13:26
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Country: Other
Make: FB 55
Length: 10m +
Join Date: May 2001
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Using Soltron
The first Soltron treatment should be at the rate of 1 part to each 2,500 parts of total fuel capacity.
Examples: (Note - Soltron should added before tank fill) 20ml to 50 litres - Small cars 40ml to 100 litres - Family cars 160ml to 400 litres - Trucks
At re-fills add 1 part to each 5,000 parts of total fuel capacity.
Examples: 10ml to 50 litres - Small cars 20ml to 100 litres - Family cars 80ml to 400 litres - Trucks
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24 January 2003, 14:26
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Hairdresser
Country: UK - Isle of Man
Town: Peel
Boat name: Jane L
Make: Scorpion
Length: 8m +
Engine: 315 Yanmar
MMSI: 235077935
Join Date: May 2000
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So where do we buy this stuff, and will it wash my whites whiter?
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24 January 2003, 14:39
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Country: Canada
Town: Newfoundland
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Ere Allen?
Are you coming to Plymouth in May then?
Short jaunt down the Irish sea and round Lands End should be no problem for you roughty toughty IOM types?
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24 January 2003, 15:45
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Member
Country: UK - Channel Islands
Town: St Martins
Boat name: MATRIX
Make: Jeanneau Leader 805
Length: 8.05
Engine: Volvo KAD 43 Diesel
Join Date: Jan 2003
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Soltron
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Originally posted by mstacey
Ok I'm intrigued.
Is there a retail outlet in England and what sort of money are we talking about for Soltron.
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Yes it is sold in the Uk although we are short on stockists in your area at the moment but that issue is being addressed today. In that respect do you have anyone near you that would be interested in stocking Soltron let me know.
There are mail order places that do post it like ASAP-supplies they are on the net. Price normally in UK about £30 for 500ml which doses 2500 litres of fuel DIESEL or PETROL.
Let me know how you get on or if you have difficulty.
Dom
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24 January 2003, 16:24
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Member
Country: UK - Channel Islands
Town: St Martins
Boat name: MATRIX
Make: Jeanneau Leader 805
Length: 8.05
Engine: Volvo KAD 43 Diesel
Join Date: Jan 2003
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Soltron
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Originally posted by Keith Hart
I assume it is suitable for my Mondeo Turbo Diesel estate car?
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Yeah no problems useing it in cars any engine that uses DIESEL or PETROL .
Dom
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24 January 2003, 17:26
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Member
Country: UK - Channel Islands
Town: St Martins
Boat name: MATRIX
Make: Jeanneau Leader 805
Length: 8.05
Engine: Volvo KAD 43 Diesel
Join Date: Jan 2003
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Reply to Brian
Brian
1. Can you start to use Soltron, then because you can't find any, stop using it? And does this cause a problem?
Yes you can stop using it but will leave you without its benefits at the next fill up but not entirely as some reidue will still be in your tank.
2. As ones fuel tanks, at any one time, contain an amount of fuel that is only approximatable, does it matter if you add a bit too much or too little?
Nah too much just wastes it the dosage is spot on and does not harm anything over or under dosed.
3. Does it's use effect engine temperature?
Because Soltron helps to burn all the fuel and effect full combustion your engine runs at the correct temperature for which it was designed. If an engine is not combusting properly then the temp is not as it should be and increases wear and tear on the engine.
4. What is the very approximate additive cost of using Soltron per litre of fuel? For example, if fuel casts 25p per litre and Soltron gives 10% better performance but adds 20% to the effective cost of a litre of fuel, then this is a factor to be taken into account
Economy is just one part of the equasion and as we all know economy is always hard to measure unless you do a test like Alans over 1200 miles to get a good example of it. Imagine this Alan P decided not to use Soltron and halfway across the Atlantic (after picking up some dodgy fuel somewhere) the engine packs up...how much has it cost him not to use it? Remember its not just the economy its the reduction of emmissions which means less cleaning of the tubes (save on cleaning fluids and time) the proper aspiration and running of your engine, comfort in the knowledge you have clean fuel that wont cause a break down and that little edge on performance when you need it. Try it in your SIBs guys see the difference in the engines as it will respond quicker and you will also find the engine slightly quieter. You are paying for all these qualities not just a fuel saving.
Dom
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25 January 2003, 15:30
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Country: UK - England
Town: Blackpool
Boat name: To Exi
Make: new sib 4 man
Length: 8+ft
Engine: Mariner 4hp long shaft
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Sonds a bit not Scientific to me please explain with a few proper tec studies,as we dont want to add any extra costs to boating if we dont need to.?
With refrence to the above characters i have no connection and dont want any thanks.
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25 January 2003, 23:46
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reply to crazy horse
If I really went technical you would not understand what I was on about.
Dom
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26 January 2003, 13:16
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Country: UK - England
Town: Blackpool
Boat name: To Exi
Make: new sib 4 man
Length: 8+ft
Engine: Mariner 4hp long shaft
Join Date: Nov 2002
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I am no Scientist for sure,but Im a wise old bugger and have learnt when in doubt, speak to those who do know the subject well and if possible borrow there in depth experience.
I will come back to you when a real tecki in the world of fuel additives comes back to me.If they are favorable I will state that.
I have no axe to grind with Soltron just a genuine interest in whether I should start using it or not.
And what the downsides maybe if there are any?
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26 January 2003, 13:49
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Country: UK - Channel Islands
Town: St Martins
Boat name: MATRIX
Make: Jeanneau Leader 805
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Engine: Volvo KAD 43 Diesel
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I am no scientist but have learnt enuf about the fuel world to understand what where why and how.
What do you think are the down sides to it? What can you lose from using it? I think you have to answer some of the questions yourself before airing them.
There can be downsides to it but only if you ship is not in order, if you keep good management of your vessel then this product will only enhance it.
If you are genuinly interested then save your time and money on phoning tekkie people up and doing your web searches, buy a 125ml bottle (about £8) which will treat 625 litres of fuel and go for it. FYI there are sea fisheries and marine police vessels using it, Thort I would add that as you seem to be involved with rescue boats.
Dom
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26 January 2003, 14:50
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Country: UK - England
Town: Blackpool
Boat name: To Exi
Make: new sib 4 man
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If I added 125 mill of oil to my fuel it could be argued that it enhances the life of my engine.
If I also added 125 mill of water to my fuel 160 gall tanks it could be argued that it gave me a better range with the water being added,not by a lot though.
Its all about accurate substantive claims and what it costs to how much improvements you actually get?
Were talking about using a lot more if I take it on .As not just one bottle ,as it will become one of those things you start off with and use for the boats life.So I think I am founded in being a little bit more interested in your recomendations,as the costs to run with this product will be considerabe over time.So the benifits need a little more of a look at.
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