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15 December 2019, 19:05
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Country: UK - Scotland
Town: Ayrshire
Boat name: Gaffer, Ocean Devil
Make: Avon Deluxe,Scorpion
Length: 5m +
Engine: Yamaha 90, 6LP
Join Date: Nov 2019
Posts: 26
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SR 5.4m Prop/Cav plate
Advice needed please.
SR 5.4m Deluxe and almost new Yam 90a.
I have taken as much weight out as poss and now just have 2 side by side seats and 2x53l fuel tanks immediately behind.
I’m mainly interested in speed and need advice on props and engine height.
1 hole up on transome seems the view, is there to much cav if move up 2 holes?
Props SS would be my pref
17”@5500 38.5kts
19”@5500 43kts
20”@5500 45kts
These are theoretical max speed with no slip.
Do these boats really have such little slip as it would seem?
Can I get away with 13” diameter or is 13.25” going to give better bite/less slip.
I’ve been through the trial and error route with my Magnum 27 which was costly ( although got a couple of really good set ups) but hope to crib off others with the SR.
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15 December 2019, 19:54
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Country: Australia
Town: Dalmeny
Make: zodiac
Length: 5m +
Engine: outboard
Join Date: May 2015
Posts: 1,257
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An idea on what prop is currently on it and what max rpm the engine is reaching with that prop would be handy. Raising the outboard by each hole will often increase rpm 50-100rpm due to less drag. The difference between aluminium and stainless is marginal but the price difference is quite considerable 6/1, also aluminium is easier on the gearbox if you do a lot of in out gear changing.
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15 December 2019, 20:25
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Member
Country: UK - Scotland
Town: Ayrshire
Boat name: Gaffer, Ocean Devil
Make: Avon Deluxe,Scorpion
Length: 5m +
Engine: Yamaha 90, 6LP
Join Date: Nov 2019
Posts: 26
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Haven’t tried it yet so don’t know WOT RPM is.. I guess as boat is so small the SS prop advantage might be marginal.. that makes it a lot cheaper to do some trial and error. Gut feel is to begin with 13x20” and see how high I can get rpm then 13.25x19” .
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16 December 2019, 01:58
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Country: Ireland
Town: Co. Donegal
Make: Avon Searider 5.4
Length: 5m +
Engine: Mercury 90hp 2-str
Join Date: Aug 2007
Posts: 21
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Hi Bizzarrini,
What are those 53l tanks you are using? Would you have a link where I could find them?
Best
A.
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16 December 2019, 08:33
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Country: Australia
Town: Dalmeny
Make: zodiac
Length: 5m +
Engine: outboard
Join Date: May 2015
Posts: 1,257
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Quote:
Originally Posted by jonp
An idea on what prop is currently on it and what max rpm the engine is reaching with that prop would be handy. Raising the outboard by each hole will often increase rpm 50-100rpm due to less drag. The difference between aluminium and stainless is marginal but the price difference is quite considerable 6/1, also aluminium is easier on the gearbox if you do a lot of in out gear changing.
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Even though ribs are light in comparison to other vessels, the tubes can cause considerable drag depending on the manufacturer.
An example is my 2014 zodiac 550 pro tour is the lightest in the 550 models at 315 kg, yet I've had to drop to a 13x13 prop to reach the Yam f70 max rpm. The boat before was also relatively light with the latest Suzuki 90 which I needed to drop from the 21 pitch down to a 17 to reach max rpm.
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16 December 2019, 16:56
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Country: UK - Scotland
Town: Maybole
Boat name: Greylag
Make: AVON Searider
Length: 5m +
Engine: Outboard Petrol 70hp
Join Date: Sep 2014
Posts: 51
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Hi Bizzarrini,
In Ayrshire too with a now converted 5.4 jockey seat set up from a Deluxe set up with a 70HP Yamaha. Best idea I can advise without photos, is to move the tanks to the front under the Bowdodger - which is where I placed mine. It will flatten the "stern-down attitude, lessen issues around drag and improve planing." I now have 100l of fuel tanks in the mid-section under the seats which makes a big difference. Final point is AntiFoul - I now must do mine next year as it's on a mooring! Best wishes Iain
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16 December 2019, 17:09
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Country: UK - England
Town: Southampton
Boat name: SMH Rib / War Shot
Make: Ribtec / Scorpion
Length: 4m +
Engine: 100hp Yam/150hp opt
Join Date: Sep 2003
Posts: 2,069
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My SR5.4 with Mariner 90hp 2 stroke made 39.7knots with a 20" Laser II Prop.
Would have gone faster if I'd moved the engine up a little - my Cavitation plate was below the bottom of the boat.
As a rule of thumb, the faster a boat is the further aft your LCG should be. You might not want to put your fuel up front as suggested by another poster.
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16 December 2019, 18:28
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Country: UK - England
Town: Bristol
Make: Ribcraft
Length: 5m +
Engine: Yamaha
Join Date: May 2006
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Your tanks should be just centre and forward of the mid position as also the battery. The SR is not a beamy hull so dont take kindly to inbalance.
39 knots is doable with the right prop. 90 Yamaha cleaver prop 19pitch max
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16 December 2019, 19:54
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Member
Country: UK - Scotland
Town: Ayrshire
Boat name: Gaffer, Ocean Devil
Make: Avon Deluxe,Scorpion
Length: 5m +
Engine: Yamaha 90, 6LP
Join Date: Nov 2019
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Hi can’t seem to attach link but marinestore.co.uk have them.
Best Jamie
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16 December 2019, 20:10
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Country: UK - Scotland
Town: Ayrshire
Boat name: Gaffer, Ocean Devil
Make: Avon Deluxe,Scorpion
Length: 5m +
Engine: Yamaha 90, 6LP
Join Date: Nov 2019
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Thankyou for all your replies. I get the concept that more power to weight the further back weight should be, so felt just behind seats would be a good starting point. I do have a 40l bow bag tank for longer trips and I can play with that to find a balance!
Is the SR hull sophisticated/fast enough to gain benefit from a cleaver prop? Would have to have engine really high I would have thought.... I know I said speed was main aim but with flooding hull will it not struggle to get up, very happy to be proved wrong though if it’s been tried...
Thank you all for this help and Ian I hope to see you out on the water, a pal of mine has just got an SR4 and is also very interested excited to have a play!!
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17 December 2019, 05:15
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Member
Country: Ireland
Town: Co. Donegal
Make: Avon Searider 5.4
Length: 5m +
Engine: Mercury 90hp 2-str
Join Date: Aug 2007
Posts: 21
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19 March 2021, 13:20
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Country: UK - Wales
Town: Llanfairfechan
Boat name: N/a
Make: Avon sea rider 5.4
Length: 5m +
Engine: Tohatsu 90
Join Date: Mar 2021
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Did you mange to find the right prop in the end?
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