The annual Etec debate!

[Xk59D]

Originally Posted by Pikey Dave

Back to the thread:-
Here's one for all the Etec knockers, most who will have never been on a Etec powered boat, let alone driven or owned one. This weekend was the Great River Race. A fair contingent of Ribnobburs took part including myself & Hadd. 2 identical hulls RC545s. One has an Etec 130 the other a Suzuki DF140a. Both boats did identical route at same speed. Anyone care to hazard the fuel figures for both engines? Approximately 3.5hours at 8kn & 5 hours at tickover
.....sh1t happens.......

Never been on etec boat, only ever seen one etec in puff so completely blind other than what i have read.

In these circumstances the etec probably burned 2 gallons less than the zuke. put them both at normal operating range for 3.5 hours and would probably be reversed.

Fuel numbers, etec burned 7 gallons, zuke 8-9...did i win!?!

cheers

[matt h]

We all know Yamaha's are the best and why would would you want to match the G2 to a boat? the engine looks like a Baked Bean can.. go figure what the boat would look like if it were matched!

And with all the money BRP have why oh why don't they have any real presence at major boat shows and support any remaining dealers left?!

I wandered around Plymouth Yacht marina and spoke to a dealer last month who was selling a 7m ballistic with a Etec 250 ho.. Nice rib I said.. his response was.. well if you can find a home for it I would be grateful.. I replied why? because its got an Etec on the back its more difficult to shift and ive had this for over a year and its gotta go...!!
Out of all the boats we have here was his comment,its the Etecs that give the most issues!

His words NOT mine!

I also got told by a major Rib manufacturer here in the UK that they will not fit ETECS to their ribs due to reliability issues!

Wasnt there a chap on here breaking a ETEC 50 2007 with less than 200 hrs on it? what was the reason.,. ECU down which warrants scrapping the engine. If that was a Yamaha.........

Now on the flip side I really wish they were reliable as the 50-60-75 look superb and go really well when all the component parts talk to each other.

[Maximus]

Originally Posted by Poly

So for those of us who are a bit rusty. When you owned an etc they were great and you never complained about the low service intervals and overlooked the ficht era but now you've changed horse you are trolling up old ficht stuff, saying the service interval is wrong and jumping to conclusions about impellers and plugs you could easily Google and see are wrong... Who are you trying to convince? Is it the world or yourself that the Soozie is the best thing since, well a Yamaha? [insert random smiley here to show its all in jest]

Bit of selective reading going on here maybe...I suggest you read my posts on the subject again if it didn't sink in...
Not trying to convince anyone me ol China...just don't like to suck up all the shite and Bolox about 500 hours and five yr service intervals....like a lot on here seem too.As for being wrong some of us live in the Real World Poly....not in Google Land!...and as an ex etec OWNER pointing out my EXPERIENCE and the reality of owning and keeping one!
....Or maybe you know better!??

[rocknrolla]

opc orn:

[ShinyShoe]

Have to say, the 'self service' service is a decent sales pitch for me. I don't mind paying for genuine things I can't do. But on my car replacing oil after 10,000miles and needing to pay a garage to do it (even if its not the dealer) to maintain my warranty annoys me. There ain't much to changing the oil but the £60/hr rate plus the oil, plus the inconvenience of taking the car to a garage on etc.

If you are worried about warranty and being told you didn't do the necessary checks - print a log sheet off covering the service points given. Complete sheet. Scan in (or use a scanning ap from your phone) and upload to the cloud. Do it more frequently than requested.

[Pikey Dave]

Speaking as someone who actually owns a couple of Etecs, the servicing on mine is 300 hours/3years. There is NO annual dealer inspection, never has been. The last time I took mine in for service to Beeston Marina in Nottingham, (Eddie the mech is a top bloke btw) I paid the bill which was circa £500 for TWO engines, Eddie shook my hand & said "See you in 3 years" This is fact, not assumption or sh1t that I've read on the net, or what someone told me down the boat yard.

[Mollers]

Originally Posted by Pikey Dave

This is fact, not assumption or sh1t that I've read on the net, or what someone told me down the boat yard.

Also, some members with an obvious, sad and bitter agenda seek to stir and load "sh1t" on to the net purely to cause mischief.

I've had boat engines of every type over the years that I've been boating, I would buy another Etec in a heartbeat.

As I've said before, if anyone with an agenda wished (or could be bothered) to embark on a net trolling smear campaign against any manufacturer, there are horror stories a plenty out there for every brand.
Few bother to go online to blather on about their 10yrs of perfect service from their OB, bad news makes headlines.

[Stuart1975]

Don't get it moller. Everyone just having a say? Good and bad...same with all motors .

[Mollers]

Originally Posted by Stuart1975

Don't get it moller. Everyone just having a say? Good and bad...same with all motors .

Firstly, I've been around this site for a fair while and consequently, I have a handle on some of the history, personalities and past spats which have occurred and thus shaped parts of this and other Etec threads. Believe me, some of the postings here, owe more to mischief making than genuine opinion.

Secondly, some members insist on going down the 'what I've got is best' route. This creates a credibility issue when 'what I've got' gets changed and 'what I had' becomes not so great. Is there then a firmly held opinion? Questionable.

Lastly, for sure, everyone is entitled to an opinion, but if that opinion is based on hearsay, internet gleaned tittle tattle and very little else, or cannot be backed up with any 1st hand experience/knowledge, it will be rightly pulled apart by members whom do have the experience/knowledge.

Ultimately, Ribnet's raison d'être is to be a ribbing information database. If the 'information' posted fails to stand up to scrutiny for whatever reason, the site becomes devalued IMHO.

[Ian M]

Originally Posted by Mollers

Few bother to go online to blather on about their 10yrs of perfect service from their OB, bad news makes headlines.

Fair enough. Kept quiet so far. Very happy with my 200

[matt h]

Believe me, some of the postings here, owe more to mischief making than genuine opinion

mollers,its genuine fact. Thats the bit that you are failing to understand hence they do have a small and very selective following in the UK.after all it was Poly who wanted to open up an Etec debate which is what we are doing. If you dont like whats said or find anything to hard to understand......

[Poly]

Originally Posted by matt h

mollers,its genuine fact. Thats the bit that you are failing to understand hence they do have a small and very selective following in the UK.

do you actually have any market stats to back that up? Whilst Xk59D says he's only seen one I use similar waters and wasn't aware they were less popular than reasonably new Honda/Suzuki/Yamaha/Mariner on average (there are 3 Etec dealers within ~50 miles of my house). Even if your assertion that they are less popular is substantiated you probably don't want me to launch into a lecture on the difference between correlation and causation.

after all it was Poly who wanted to open up an Etec debate which is what we are doing.

I think you'll find it was Maximus that (re)began "the debate" all I did was move the posts to a new thread... oh and maybe fan the flames by adding some facts into the mix rather than conjecture.

[Chris]

Originally Posted by matt h

Believe me, some of the postings here, owe more to mischief making than genuine opinion

mollers,its genuine fact. Thats the bit that you are failing to understand hence they do have a small and very selective following in the UK.after all it was Poly who wanted to open up an Etec debate which is what we are doing. If you dont like whats said or find anything to hard to understand......

Seeing as Mollers is one of the few people on this thread who:

A - Owns an e-tec
B - Has ever owned an E-tec
C - Has ever had an E-tec serviced
D - Owns a boat that could actually carry a 200HP E-tec

then frankly he has a lot more valid input to any e-tec debate than most of the google monkeys, and hearsay peddlers that are "contributing" to this pointless debate.

OK so we get it you don't like E-tec... the answer is simple then isn't it

[rocknrolla]

Originally Posted by Mollers

Firstly, I've been around this site for a fair while and consequently, I have a handle on some of the history, personalities and past spats which have occurred and thus shaped parts of this and other Etec threads. Believe me, some of the postings here, owe more to mischief making than genuine opinion.

Secondly, some members insist on going down the 'what I've got is best' route. This creates a credibility issue when 'what I've got' gets changed and 'what I had' becomes not so great. Is there then a firmly held opinion? Questionable.

Lastly, for sure, everyone is entitled to an opinion, but if that opinion is based on hearsay, internet gleaned tittle tattle and very little else, or cannot be backed up with any 1st hand experience/knowledge, it will be rightly pulled apart by members whom do have the experience/knowledge.

It iz simple'z Looey every man has hiz own opinion,just they aint all the same:whistling and i am a BRP fan some minor issues but all good product and service

[GordyP]

I'll jump in having had a pair of FICHT's and a pair of Etecs. One of the FICHT's eventually munched its piston rings after an oil injector failed, from memory the engine had done over 1300 hours. Replaced with Etecs at the time based on price, size and weight, also have two dealers nearby. Two main issues were caused by salt water in the fuel, the original tank failed and I stupidly had both engines drawing out of the underfloor tank, result was 12 new injectors. Second time was as a result of the new tank being defective, luckily I had learned a lesson and the engines were drawing out of separate tanks, result was 6 new injectors. It would be interesting to know how a modern 4 stroke would have coped with this kind of contaminated fuel, I suspect the result would have been similar. Other than the damaged injectors I had no other issues that had anything to do with the engines themselves.

I don't really get why people can't be objective about things they've bought, nothing is perfect, everything has its good and bad points. Over the years I've had Yamaha's, Mercs and Mariners before the Evinrudes, they were all good engines. I would buy any of them again including the Etecs.

[1eyedjim]

If you want to know about unreliable buy an escort rs turbo lol any engine could looks brilliant compared to my escort.

[Chris]

Originally Posted by 1eyedjim

If you want to know about unreliable buy an escort rs turbo lol any engine could looks brilliant compared to my escort.

Can't be as bad as my old Lancia Delta HF Turbo....shame really they were great fun to drive !

[gotchiguy]

I think Honda engines are the best because silver is my favourite colour and they smell nice.

[Stuart1975]

Originally Posted by gotchiguy

I think Honda engines are the best because silver is my favourite colour and they smell nice.

Which is sort of what etec are saying as their second key point on the marketing. .. a nice matching colour.

[Mollers]

Originally Posted by Stuart1975

Which is sort of what etec are saying as their second key point on the marketing. .. a nice matching colour.

I think that he was being faecetious.