The Dilemma

[SOLENTER]

I have been offered a 2003 four stroke Outboard brand new for a very attractive price
can enyone think of a reson not to buy ie Emissions ect
Your thoughts & experience would be a appreciated

[Louise]

Originally Posted by GRUMPY

can enyone think of a reson not to buy

Check it hasn't been stolen if it's a VERY attractive price! Don't think the emissions stuff should affect you - I think it's just that from a date in the future (2006??) new engines must pass a stricter emissions test than at present. Don't think it'll have a bearing on engines already in existence - but happy to be corrected on this by anyone that knows better! (And if that's the case, we'd better start saving for a new engine! )

Edit: this article supports my view, giving the date as 31/12/06 from which time all NEW outboards must meet the stricter requirements. The article also states that 4 strokes & new tech 2 strokes will probably all meet the new requirements anyway! Phew!

[Bilge Rat]

Originally Posted by GRUMPY

I have been offered a 2003 four stroke Outboard brand new for a very attractive price
can enyone think of a reson not to buy ie Emissions ect
Your thoughts & experience would be a appreciated

All depends what you consider to be an attractive price ?, what make and size of engine etc ? give us some more details to go on, and remember its only a bargain if you actually need it !!

[SOLENTER]

About £1200 under list on a 115 hp and a grand for my old one 2 stroke 97 vintage
and no its not nicked Louise

[Nick Hearne]

Grumpy
I reckon you should get that much & more of a brand new one 2005 model!
Do a bit of phoning around get some prices!
Nick

[mike]

I'm old fashioned, I find that straight talking with the local dealer is worth a go for 3 reasons.
1. He/she will be happy to offer a price knowing you are serious and local.
2. they will almost certainley know that you will have it serviced there
3. if it goes wrong due to an istallation error you can have trouble arguing over long distnces whereas your local bod will often fit cheaply or free meaning if it does not perform for whatever reason the whole job is down to 1 company not 3 ie the seller, the shipper and whoever fits it for you.

I have just taken delivery of 2 150 optis I paid 750 more than the best price given by the boat builder but still saved £5000 and feel very happy with the continuity.

mike

[Bilge Rat]

Originally Posted by Nick Hearne

Grumpy
I reckon you should get that much & more of a brand new one 2005 model!
Do a bit of phoning around get some prices!
Nick

Yes i agree with Nick, £1200 off a 2005 model is what i'd consider a good deal, though for a 2003 is not that good, plus 1k for your old engine isn't a great deal either, considering recons sell for upwards of 1.5k, (obviously we have no idea as to the condition of your old engine)

[Bilge Rat]

Originally Posted by mike

I'm old fashioned, I find that straight talking with the local dealer is worth a go for 3 reasons.
1. He/she will be happy to offer a price knowing you are serious and local.
2. they will almost certainley know that you will have it serviced there
3. if it goes wrong due to an istallation error you can have trouble arguing over long distnces whereas your local bod will often fit cheaply or free meaning if it does not perform for whatever reason the whole job is down to 1 company not 3 ie the seller, the shipper and whoever fits it for you.

I have just taken delivery of 2 150 optis I paid 750 more than the best price given by the boat builder but still saved £5000 and feel very happy with the continuity.

mike

Mike when are you taking me out for a ride on your new baby (you did promise) have heard you've had it on the water already.

Do you still have your aux engine for the old Valiant you were telling me about last time i saw you.

Richard

[mike]

Originally Posted by Bilge Rat

Mike when are you taking me out for a ride on your new baby (you did promise) have heard you've had it on the water already.

Do you still have your aux engine for the old Valiant you were telling me about last time i saw you.

Richard

Hi Bilge, yep when I launch I will let you know, as yet the boat has not seen the water as I have been waiting for a small number of alterations (now nearly done). We didn't fuel it up as I didn't have a spare 440 notes that week!
The boats now down at jez frys at the harbour. I did try to send you a mail the other day with some pics but mucked it up!

re the engine I may end up keeping it for the avon bought last weekend.

[Rogue Wave]

Are you puttin twin 150's on a boat or singles on two boats.

I also agree that the deal for the 115 yam doesn't seem that clever

[Bilge Rat]

Originally Posted by Rogue Wave

Are you puttin twin 150's on a boat or singles on two boats.

I also agree that the deal for the 115 yam doesn't seem that clever

Rogue old chap he's putting twin 150 optis on it ask him how much a set of spark plugs are gona cost

And i've been promised a ride out

Mike ......Let me know when your ready to go out.

One other thing, a little bird told me that you have a picture of my boat on your current brochure if this is true then i want a copy

[mike]

Originally Posted by Bilge Rat

Rogue old chap he's putting twin 150 optis on it ask him how much a set of spark plugs are gona cost

And i've been promised a ride out

Mike ......Let me know when your ready to go out.

One other thing, a little bird told me that you have a picture of my boat on your current brochure if this is true then i want a copy

You are welcome to a brochure, but I would shoot the little bird as sadly you are as yet not featured!!
so far 5 people have decided that the boat shown is their one, its mine I promise, oh yes except the one I boorowed from laurence at bartnet!

I have just sorted the sparks and can now run two for less than I ran one last year!!

[SOLENTER]

My engine is Suzuki DT90 & in good con for year very low hours
& the Yam is a Suzuki .
If this is a crap deal perhaps one of you gents would point me right direction
for a good one, although i would prefer Suzuki or Yam i will consider
Merc Mariner if the price is right

[Bilge Rat]

Originally Posted by mike

You are welcome to a brochure, but I would shoot the little bird as sadly you are as yet not featured!!
so far 5 people have decided that the boat shown is their one, its mine I promise, oh yes except the one I boorowed from laurence at bartnet!

I have just sorted the sparks and can now run two for less than I ran one last year!!

Ok so thats TD5 well shot now

Look forward to seeing the new boat in the flesh, the pics are awsome.

See you soon.

[Bilge Rat]

Originally Posted by GRUMPY

My engine is Suzuki DT90 & in good con for year very low hours
& the Yam is a Suzuki .
If this is a crap deal perhaps one of you gents would point me right direction
for a good one, although i would prefer Suzuki or Yam i will consider
Merc Mariner if the price is right

Grumpy.... I bought a brand new outgoing 2004 Yam 4 stroke 60hp just after the Soton boat show last year, i found that by ringing around the various dealerships the price kept going down, even to the point that i bluffed one dealer by saying i'd been offered it cheaper elsewhere by £200 so he'd leave me alone, and to my supprise he then actually matched the price.
In the end i settled for my local dealership on a price to supply, fit and commission the new engine which i was very happy with.

Ok so know your prospective new engine by researching it, and know your prices, how much Yam's or Suzi RRP and then through an internet search engine go looking, emailing and ringing around, go for outgoing models or years as they will invariably be cheaper, or your'll be able to bargain the price down, and if i were you i'd want more for your current 90 as it sounds like its in fairly good running condition !!

Good luck

[SOLENTER]

Thanks for your input Bilge it all makes perfect sence
My engine is in good nick the power unit hasent had a spanner on it
starts first time & goes like stink
I will give BT a cash injection this coming week and see what comes up
the local guys dont to want to play
thumbs up

[Bilge Rat]

Originally Posted by GRUMPY

Thanks for your input Bilge it all makes perfect sence
My engine is in good nick the power unit hasent had a spanner on it
starts first time & goes like stink
I will give BT a cash injection this coming week and see what comes up
the local guys dont to want to play
thumbs up

Your welcome, as a suggestion i' try BHG marine as a start point, do a search for Kevin Mole outboards too and work from there.

A few other things to consider are:

where will you get it serviced or have any repair warranty work carried out ! remember that mint bargain may have saved you a nice packet but if you have to take it 200 miles to have it serviced it will soon start to rack up costs.

And remember to include fitting out to, should cost about £150 - £200 to fit, some people will insist on doing it themselves not me for a few extra quid its worth having it fitted by someone who does it all the time, and if they cock it up then its there problem not yours !

In the end i did a deal with my local mechanic to supply and fit the engine correctly, to clinch the deal he threw in a free 10 hour service which saved me another £100 odd quid.

If you cant get a resonable trade in deal on your old engine then consider selling it privatley instead, it has to be worth more than £1000 even as a trade in, problem is a dealer is in it to make money.

Good luck with your search.