The Top 3 ????

[Downhilldai]

Originally Posted by Nos4r2

The deal with the 140 Suzukis is that if you go up to 150, it's the next block size up. Loads more torque, but a load more weight as well. IMO, of the 2 the 140 is the better motor for the RC585 hull as it means quite a nicely balanced boat.

Oddly though, the one I've seen with a 150 Opti on, spanked its ass...

^ All of this.

[Downhilldai]

Originally Posted by gotchiguy

Do you not miss the extra grunt the 150 would have given you? 17% more hp is quite a lot of difference.. not to mention the increase in torque. From what people say the increase in weight seems to be well outweighed by those factors.

Personally I would put Suzuki at the top of any 4/ stroke list, assuming you wanted to buy a fourstroke, which clearly you wouldn't...

Obviously different factors affect different hulls more than others. For example, weight and balance are more important than power with the Vipermax hull which is why they are best suited to etecs. The Optimax is good too but it's only USP is its price nowadays, the technology isn't really up there anymore IMHO. Merc have focussed on the Verados more, where as evinrude have continued to refine the etecs.

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[gotchiguy]

Originally Posted by Downhilldai

^

they say the same thing....I just didn't comment on the RC specifically because I have little experience of them...in fact I asked a question about them..

[Nos4r2]

Originally Posted by Downhilldai

^

I thought that too.

My take on it is this-and while I do own an Opti, it wasn't a deliberate choice-it just happened to be what was on the boat when I bought it.

Optis have been around longer than Etecs, but Optis were WAY ahead of the 2 stroke competition (Ficht Rams! )when they were launched.

They're now a proven motor that doesn't use any more fuel or oil than Etecs and they cost less.If you like the glorious howl they produce,why wouldn't you buy one?

Everything else tech-wise is just refinement debugging then fripperies and bloatware.

[Nos4r2]

Originally Posted by gotchiguy

they say the same thing....I just didn't comment on the RC specifically because I have little experience of them...in fact I asked a question about them..

I see what you're saying. Maybe you could have worded it a bit better as it came across more confrontational than as a question.

[gotchiguy]

Originally Posted by Nos4r2

I see what you're saying. Maybe you could have worded it a bit better as it came across more confrontational than as a question.

Yeah, understood I will try harder next time.

Originally Posted by Nos4r2

Optis have been around longer than Etecs, but Optis were WAY ahead of the 2 stroke competition (Ficht Rams! )when they were launched.

They're now a proven motor that doesn't use any more fuel or oil than Etecs and they cost less.If you like the glorious howl they produce,why wouldn't you buy one?

Everything else tech-wise is just refinement debugging then fripperies and bloatware.

Optis were miles ahead of Fichts, and possibly still slightly ahead of the Ficht Ram but not by much.

They are good, and indeed I have just (sort of) bought one. I do like the noise personally but I think for the majority of people prefer quietness of 4/ or etec, having to turn the engine off the whole time isn't really ideal. Lets not forget that at first Optis had their fair share of issues.. compressors what

Maybe five years ago when we bought our boat they were on a par but I think now the etec is fair bit more advanced than the opti, especially with rigging etc. Can you get the Verado fly by wire or joystick control on the optis?

[henryfreston]

Originally Posted by Nos4r2

I thought that too.

My take on it is this-and while I do own an Opti, it wasn't a deliberate choice-it just happened to be what was on the boat when I bought it.

Optis have been around longer than Etecs, but Optis were WAY ahead of the 2 stroke competition (Ficht Rams! )when they were launched.

They're now a proven motor that doesn't use any more fuel or oil than Etecs and they cost less.If you like the glorious howl they produce,why wouldn't you buy one?

Everything else tech-wise is just refinement debugging then fripperies and bloatware.

But then etecs have the upper hand due to
1. advertisement- I think etecs were pushed much harder. I actually had to go on the mariner website to find they had created the opti!
2. they produce smaller engines. People normally start with a smaller engine and boat, they decide they want to move up and because the etec is a decent engine they decided to stick with it and get a bigger etec.

[Nos4r2]

Originally Posted by gotchiguy

Can you get the Verado fly by wire or joystick control on the optis?

You mean DTS?

Joystick control is a multi-engine thing anyway, so while it'd be nice, you'd have to have twins at least. I suspect the system is rather expensive as well-it involves independent powered steering on each motor.

Agreed, the Optis did have issues.They aren't unique in that. By and large they're sorted now though.

Henry,

yes-etecs are available in smaller motors and that's definitely a selling point. I wouldn't want an Opti below 115hp-the 75 and 90 are seriously heavy beasts.

[Maximus]

Originally Posted by Downhilldai

^ All of this.

...I imagine the 5.8 Osprey would ''Go well'' with the 150 Opti Brad.....????

[gotchiguy]

Originally Posted by Nos4r2

You mean DTS?

Joystick control is a multi-engine thing anyway, so while it'd be nice, you'd have to have twins at least. I suspect the system is rather expensive as well-it involves independent powered steering on each motor.

Yes but whether it is available or not is indicative of a manufacturer's investment in that product line...especially since the most of the top brands have it now...

[Nos4r2]

Or does it mean BRP haven't come up with a new concept (like the Verado for example) so they're sticking it on the 'outdated' Etecs?

I suspect if a 300 Opti was produced then Fond Du Lac would have fitted it.Remember, it's driven by the US market and their huge motors (Unless there's a 300 in the pipeline, which would be nice)

[Aries]

Parsun on my daughters Ribeye has been faultless. Starts first time every time. Just saying...

[gotchiguy]

Originally Posted by Nos4r2

Or does it mean BRP haven't come up with a new concept (like the Verado for example) so they're sticking it on the 'outdated' Etecs?

I suspect if a 300 Opti was produced then Fond Du Lac would have fitted it.Remember, it's driven by the US market and their huge motors (Unless there's a 300 in the pipeline, which would be nice)

just you wait for R.A.V.E.
There is a 300 Optimax

[Nos4r2]

Originally Posted by gotchiguy

just you wait for R.A.V.E.

Nothing new there-type in YPVS to google. Been around since the 80's.

Originally Posted by gotchiguy

There is a 300 Optimax

I'd never seen one!

[gotchiguy]

Originally Posted by Nos4r2

I'd never seen one!

Well now you've seen 5!
Worlds Fastest Offshore fishing boat (38 Fountain with quad 300 Mercury Optimax) - YouTube

[Downhilldai]

Originally Posted by Maximus

...I imagine the 5.8 Osprey would ''Go well'' with the 150 Opti Brad.....????

Yeah, it's ok. It's never really been troubled by DF140s, despite not being a particularly quick hull. In fact, it's seen off a Ribcraft 6.5 with a DF175 a few times.

[Mollers]

Originally Posted by Downhilldai

Yeah, it's ok. It's never really been troubled by DF140s, despite not being a particularly quick hull. In fact, it's seen off a Ribcraft 6.5 with a DF175 a few times.

It goes very well, my 7m/250 doesn't exactly make a monkey out of it. There was never much between your's, Jim and m'self back in the days when we used to go boating together.

[Maximus]

Originally Posted by Downhilldai

Yeah, it's ok. It's never really been troubled by DF140s, despite not being a particularly quick hull. In fact, it's seen off a Ribcraft 6.5 with a DF175 a few times.

Does'nt surprise me.....Hope to see it in Action sometime

[Downhilldai]

Originally Posted by Mollers

It goes very well, my 7m/250 doesn't exactly make a monkey out of it. There was never much between your's, Jim and m'self back in the days when we used to go boating together.

Great days

[whisper]

Originally Posted by gotchiguy

Do you not miss the extra grunt the 150 would have given you? 17% more hp is quite a lot of difference.. not to mention the increase in torque. From what people say the increase in weight seems to be well outweighed by those factors.

Personally I would put Suzuki at the top of any 4/ stroke list, assuming you wanted to buy a fourstroke, which clearly you wouldn't...

Obviously different factors affect different hulls more than others. For example, weight and balance are more important than power with the Vipermax hull which is why they are best suited to etecs. The Optimax is good too but it's only USP is its price nowadays, the technology isn't really up there anymore IMHO. Merc have focussed on the Verados more, where as evinrude have continued to refine the etecs.

Dude! I my DF140 is awesome we go out with the kids + Grandma 5 up, calshot, portsmouth, Wootton Creek, Cowes back to Calshot and it only use 25L an awesome engine which has now been repropped to iron out prop slip and now it's faster too

Yeah the 150 opti is a bit faster but it's more powerful, thirsy and it eats opti oil too so I guess I like my four stroke because its easy, cheap to run, doesn't smell and I don't have to fcuk about with opti oil.......

Have I upset you opti nobbers yet

Had a bit of a dog fight with DD and the his sons 585 opti 150 mid channel on the way back from Alderney, great fun ( at the end of this video)....

Alderney 2012 - YouTube