Tohatsu 2 strokes

[colcreate]

While searching for a new or good second hand outboard for my Searider 5.4, I have learnt a lot! Or at least think I have.
New
Cheapest new 90 HP seems to be the Mariner Optimax at just over £6k with the Merc being about £200 dearer. Both are heavy lumps at 170kg, the Opti 75's are the same weight.
The Suzuki DF90 @ 155kg seems the best power to weight four stroke around but at around £7200 is just over priced which is a shame as it would be my first 4stroke choice. The Honda and Yamaha both tip the scales at around @ 165k but both are too expensive to finance.
Evinrude E-tec @ £6250 and 145kg with great pulling power is my next favourite but they have to be fitted by a dealer @ £500 so still over my already stretched budget.

Tohatsu 90 @ 153kg is interesting but the only quote I have had is over £7k so would rather go fo a Suzuki DF90.

Cheapest new option I can find is a Selva 80 Tiger Shark 120kg which is a special order but should tip the scales a grand cheaper than an Opti 90. Might have a holiday in Italy and bring one back....

2nd Hand
Ok best condition Yamaha 90 I could find was a 2005 model @ £3650
There are a few overpriced 4 strokes around but they vary wildly in condition and price, and venders tell lies! £2600 - £3000+ is around what I am willing to pay for a used engine otherwise I'll finance the balance and buy new! One 4 stroke offered privately recently was over £3k and althoughtheydidnthave a clue on hours run estimated it was low hours. Turned out that the previous owner was commercial and sold it to the vender for just over £2k with nearly 3,000 on it! Buy beware! Others have been built from bits with dubious origins...

Seems also that most 4 Strokes do not allow a diagnostic download to confirm history ( please correct me on this?), efi mercs/mariners only record injector times and can be changed. At least the Evinrude E-tecs give you an accurate download, so with that and the power to weight superiority has persuaded me to look at them as hot favourite!

A late comer to my 2nd hand list are the Tohatsu M90-120HP which at 136-164kg have great promise. Didn't realise that they are the second biggest outboard company in the world. Making Merc engines up to 35hp as well as some of the smaller Evinrudes.
Has anybody got any solid facts on Tohatsu models?

So I'm now set to look at 5 used engines net week, as soon as the doc clears me for driving again (pain pills are getting stronger....)

Might end up buying two engines, trying them both and selling one off at the begining of next season.
Also if I fit a 120 Tohatsu (badged as a 90) to my SR5.4 and keep it to a max of 44mph will it be as awesome as a Yam 90?

[Barrowboy]

Go and have a chat with Paul at Outboard and Marine in Liverpool, located just behind the marina, next to the boatyard. Smashing fella, very highly regarded and with a 'proper' workshop, absolutely no airs and graces and a Tohatsu dealer.

He's ex RN so very familiar with Sea Riders too....although not likely to have seen anything as polished as your fine vessel!

[colcreate]

Originally Posted by Barrowboy

Go and have a chat with Paul at Outboard and Marine in Liverpool, located just behind the marina, next to the boatyard. Smashing fella, very highly regarded and with a 'proper' workshop, absolutely no airs and graces and a Tohatsu dealer.

He's ex RN so very familiar with Sea Riders too....although not likely to have seen anything as polished as your fine vessel!

Cheers for the tip, will pop across and have a look at him.
I intend on stripping mine down over the winter as some bits are hard to polish in the corners especially if I get one of these motors next week, hmmm E-tec 90 or Tohatsu 120.... Maybe both?

[Festinghouse]

you know me col' id go for the tohatsu, but whatever you get make sure you push the fuel line on properly!

[colcreate]

Originally Posted by Festinghouse

you know me col' id go for the tohatsu, but whatever you get make sure you push the fuel line on properly!

Ah you was rushing me on the day..... But you have reminded me to buy a new connector, best go over to eBay for a bit!

[colcreate]

So has anybody got a decent size Tohatsu?
90, 120 or 140hp are they any good?

[freespirit3]

We had a 2000 Tohatsu 70 2 stroke for nine years, brilliant engine, 3 cylinder, fantastic on the power band, really miss the 3 cyl burble noise and simplicity.

The new Tldi Tohatsu 2 strokes are great too, nice low weight, two stroke power delivery with four stroke fuel economy.

We ran ours for 9 years on a humber 5m and it never missed a beat, always started first time even after twelve months lay over and it did 35 knots.

Dealers are great, parts and pricing sensible.

Would thoroughly recommend.

[colcreate]

Originally Posted by freespirit3

We had a 2000 Tohatsu 70 2 stroke - on a 5m - 35 knots
Dealers are great, parts and pricing sensible.

Would thoroughly recommend.

That sounds great, what dealers did you use for parts and servicing?
Haven't seen any 2nd hand injected models for sale but seem to be equivalent to E-tecs.....?

[C-NUMB]

Here a 90 Tohatsu at a decent price 6.2K ?

Tohatsu Outboard Engine for sale , New tohatsu 90hp TLDI outboard engine special offe - Boats And Outboards

Guess the Opti has the most raw power of the 90 hp engines but is also heavier.

[freespirit3]

Originally Posted by colcreate

That sounds great, what dealers did you use for parts and servicing?
Haven't seen any 2nd hand injected models for sale but seem to be equivalent to E-tecs.....?

I used to service the engine myself, very straightforward and simple, fair weather marine are a Tohatsu dealer and i found them very helpful.

Only ever needed simple parts, Tohatsu uk are also very nice people and helpful.

[neil.mccrirrick]

+1 for tohatsu. I have a 140hp great engine the only problems with it are the ones I cause but that's a whole different story

I only wish they did a 175 or 200

[J@mes]

Originally Posted by neil.mccrirrick

+1 for tohatsu. I have a 140hp great engine the only problems with it are the ones I cause but that's a whole different story

I only wish they did a 175 or 200

I actually looked on the Tohatsu UK website earlier (Tohatsu Marine click on "News & Reviews" in the top left hand corner) and noticed they have now joined forces with Honda for 4 strokes up to 250hp!!! It can only be a good thing IMO, as Honda are meant to be very good, and I would have thought the re branded Tohatsu engines will simply be cheaper?! Fingers crossed I guess lol.


But "Colcreate" wanted the lighter 2 stroke didn't he? Though aren't the Honda 4 strokes meant to be one of the lightest 4 strokes? That said 4 strokes cost more etc lol. Either way at least it gives everyone more options now!

[colcreate]

Originally Posted by C-NUMB

Here a 90 Tohatsu at a decent price 6.2K ?

Tohatsu Outboard Engine for sale , New tohatsu 90hp TLDI outboard engine special offe - Boats And Outboards

Guess the Opti has the most raw power of the 90 hp engines but is also heavier.

Think that price advertised is plus VAT as I went to Highams two weeks ago and Simon quoted over £7k for the Tohatsu 90.

[kerny]

Originally Posted by colcreate

Think that price advertised is plus VAT as I went to Highams two weeks ago and Simon quoted over £7k for the Tohatsu 90.

That will be + VAT at B.H.

[colcreate]

Originally Posted by neil.mccrirrick

+1 for tohatsu. I have a 140hp great engine the only problems with it are the ones I cause but that's a whole different story

I only wish they did a 175 or 200

I take it this is a 4 cylinder carb model 140hp?

is it a good engine to live with, starting, smooth tickover and quiet running, do you waterski with it? What year is it?

[C-NUMB]

Originally Posted by colcreate

Think that price advertised is plus VAT as I went to Highams two weeks ago and Simon quoted over £7k for the Tohatsu 90.

In the ad it states "Vat included"? That's rather tricky advertising if its not true.... Might be worth calling them referring to the specific ad

[Festinghouse]

every price ive had off bill higham has included vat, its always worth seeing what they have in stock as they have good prices on ones they get on offer from manufacturers. personally id much rather deal with bill himself as hes extremely knowledgeable and happy
to help, simon is very much there to make a quick buck - as far as im concerned anyway.

[colcreate]

Originally Posted by Festinghouse

every price ive had off bill higham has included vat, its always worth seeing what they have in stock as they have good prices on ones they get on offer from manufacturers. personally id much rather deal with bill himself as hes extremely knowledgeable and happy
to help, simon is very much there to make a quick buck - as far as im concerned anyway.

From Bill Highams advert!
(200+ outboards always available. Price + vat.)


Spoke with Bill as I always do having been going there for nearly 30 years. When I mentioned new he got Simon to talk to me. The didn't have a Tohatsu in stock or a Opti that I could see but said they would order in whatever I wanted.
Just found the scribbled note from Simon £6450 for the Mariner Opti and £6850 for the Tohatsu 90TLD seem to remember that he said I would need something else with the Tohatsu that pushed it just over £7k total. That's Suzuki DF90 money so I rejected it on price.
Opti 90's are £6100 elsewhere maybe £6k for cash. e-tec 90's £6454 plus mandatory fitting £400+.
Depreciation for non commercial use is supposed to be 20% year 1
Then 10% each subsequent year. Does that make sense?

[Downhilldai]

What's the max weight for an SR5.4 transom?

[Barrowboy]

My plate says 340lbs max transom weight and max horsepower is 90, or 2 x 40hp