Tohatsu 20hp 4 Stroke

[Steve509926]

Originally Posted by Jwill

The two boats are quite different and serve different purposes

If they serve different purposes, then I would seriously consider having an OB on both, and as has already been suggested maybe go for a 15hp 2 stroke Yamaha.

I'm going to Edinburgh in April for a wedding and I was thinking of spending the week there. If the weather is ok I might take my sib with me. Where do you launch from? Can you suggest any good places to visit?

[Poly]

Originally Posted by Jwill

Many thanks for the various information. The point is however I want the lighter Tohatsu 20 hp to avoid all those contraptions and faffing about. I believe you must make boating as faff free and easy as possible. If not it can result in you tending not to go out boating

if you want faff free - buy a second engine for the second boat rather than lifting one on and off each time. I have lifted 40-something kg engines on and off boats. It’s not the weight that’s the issue, it’s the balance of the thing which is awkward with no good handholds. If I had to do it at at start and end of every season I’d probably buy an engine hoist. If I had to do it every time I went out, I’d take up a different pastime!

[willk]

Originally Posted by Poly

if you want faff free - buy a second engine for the second boat rather than lifting one on and off each time.

That's certainly the EASIEST way for the OP to go fuss free. Obv there is the capital outlay and annual servicing cost to consider, but it is simple and fast. If the OP is already considering the Tohatsu, then the value of the old 2007 stroker isn't going to THAT big of a hit.

There must be a better trolly for this sort of scenario.

[Fenlander]

>>>They are very close within about 4m

>>>must be a better trolly for this sort of scenario.

If these are two boats on trailers at home or in a yard and only 4m apart this is a non-issue really. Any form of DIY trolley that supports on the AV plate/gearbox as in Chipko's first image would do. Trolley slides on AV from rear to support, undo the OB clamps then a helper lifts the front of the trailer to dip transom and disengage the OB. Reverse the procedure to get onto the second boat.

Almost no faff in the scheme of boating.

Or just buy a nice used 15hp 2-stroke for the smaller boat.

[Bodie The Boat Guy]

People keep recommending 2 strokes. Are you using the engine commercially. If not, 2 strokes are not meant to be sold for leisure purposes.

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You can still buy pre Jan 2007. However at nearly 20yrs old, thats probably not the way you would want to go.

[Bodie The Boat Guy]

Buy the Tohatsu 20. They are great engines. Plus with the 7yr warranty too. ��

[willk]

Originally Posted by Bodie The Boat Guy

People keep recommending 2 strokes. Are you using the engine commercially. If not, 2 strokes are not meant to be sold for leisure purposes.

That's probably one for your relevant trade association and the importers to address - because there are dealers prepared to sell one to anyone. There is a laughable lack of enforcement, so relying on end users to follow the rules is probably on a hiding to nothing.

I have a spanking Yam 40 btw, so no skin in the fight!

[Bodie The Boat Guy]

I agree, its not well regulated. However, when buying a new engine you have to sign a declaration that its being used for commercial, or SHOULD have to sign lol. Still not the strictest system.

[Fenlander]

>>>Are you using the engine commercially. If not, 2 strokes are not meant to be sold for leisure purposes.

To be 100% accurate there is a very important word missing... "new" 2-strokes are not meant to be sold for leisure. I would hate someone who is not au-fait with the regs to think there was a problem with pre-2007 used ones.

On this forum we have great support amongst many members for 2-strokes due to their easy portability in the smaller sizes that suit many SIBs. Not just their portability but ease of servicing, simply made emergency repairs and overall longevity. Remember too our members include commercial users and those involved with rescue support, sailing schools etc.

Re not wanting a 2-stroke 2007 and older well we have many members running such motors. I've owned around 15 portable outboards over a similar amount of years. About three quarters pre 2007 2-strokes and buying nice examples then looking after them has given great performance and reliability.

For full disclosure I've been let down by one and that was bought cheaply taking a chance from an iffy bloke with scruffy yard evading the truth about its past lack of care/servicing. Failed on first outing and quickly scrapped but atypical of my older 2-stroke experience.

[Bodie The Boat Guy]

This is the information re the sale and use of 2 stroke engines direct for a 2 stoke engine manufacturer.

Any two strokes purchased after the 31st December 2006 must only be sold and used for commercial use. The product must remain in commercial use only for its full working life (regards of the number of owners it has been passed down to). Hopefully that makes sense. All this said, nobody is monitoring the resale to*second*owners.

I appreciate that people buy and sell them. I'm not saying anything other than this is the correct response in relation to 2 strokes. It's not my job to police what people do. Only it is my responsibility to ensure that if I sell a new unit, it is only to a commercial end user. I definitely understand why people have them, want them etc. I'm just pointing out the correct stance on it.

[Fenlander]

>>Any two strokes purchased after the 31st December 2006 must only be sold and used for commercial use.

Again the word "new " is missing. It should read...

Any *new* two strokes purchased after the 31st December 2006 must only be sold and used for commercial use.

[beamishken]

I very much doubt anyone has been questioned never mind prosecuted over using a late model 2 stroke for private use.
It's one of those rules that I'd happily ignore if I was using a late model 2 stroke.
Does anyone realy care what outboard folk use? theres probably thousands of chinease imported engines with fake CE Mark's knocking around being sold & advertised on ebay & Facebook & no one gives two hoots about them
Which is worse an engine with a blatanty incorrect certification mark or an engine that is ruled only for commercial use? Neither seem to be policed why should outboard owners be worried that their 2 stroke engine should only be used for commercial purposes. My guess is only folk with an interest in selling "compliant" engines will try to encourage folk to obey the rules that no one seems to care about

[Pikey Dave]

Originally Posted by beamishken

I very much doubt anyone has been questioned never mind prosecuted over using a late model 2 stroke for private use.
It's one of those rules that I'd happily ignore if I was using a late model 2 stroke.
Does anyone realy care what outboard folk use? theres probably thousands of chinease imported engines with fake CE Mark's knocking around being sold & advertised on ebay & Facebook & no one gives two hoots about them
Which is worse an engine with a blatanty incorrect certification mark or an engine that is ruled only for commercial use? Neither seem to be policed why should outboard owners be worried that their 2 stroke engine should only be used for commercial purposes. My guess is only folk with an interest in selling "compliant" engines will try to encourage folk to obey the rules that no one seems to care about

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[Bodie The Boat Guy]

No, this is from the horses mouth. They state that 2 stroke *SOLD NEW FROM 2007 ON* should JUST be used for commercial. I really don't care what people use. It's just a case of making people aware of what is correct. I totally agree, the chance of anyone being bothered to check etc is extremely slim. However, I though the whole point of forums is to share information.

Mod Edit: Yet again the original post from this member misleads saying 2-strokes are commercial only. See my edit in caps. Also the only horses mouth is the EU/Gov directive which is not worded as the poster's horse has written it..

[chipko]

Well if you really don’t care what people use, kindly stop banging on about it.

Most on here are well aware of the rules.

[beamishken]

Originally Posted by chipko

Well if you really don’t care what people use, kindly stop banging on about it.

Most on here are well aware of the rules.

But but .......encouraging folk to keep running their perfectly well running 30 year old two stroke doesnt encourage (frighten) folk into buying a nice shiny new computer controlled engine that will likely be dead in half the time of the older generation engines

[Fenlander]

Please note my Mod edit to post 34.