Volvo engines (For Crazyhorse) - Page 7

Dirk Diggler · 01 March 2003, 08:37

Ha, not so foolish after all, Mr Jonny "smartypants" fuller.

Jonny Fuller · 01 March 2003, 09:52

Quote:

Originally posted by Alan
Don't wanna put a spanner in the works chaps, but I am pretty sure that towing limit for LWB Landy is still only 3500kg. Which is the max I think for any road car.

Alan

As I said in my post, this was my understanding of it, although I never could see how a shortie was as suitable for towing heavy stuff as a longie, anyway, for the odd times I move my boat by road I shall take the risk's, It's too much effort to sod about with low loader's! (plus, I'm suffering from an incurable bout of wallet cramp)

crazyhorse · 01 March 2003, 12:13

Ok Alan the 130 crew cab Deffender can do 4 ton with Coupled brakes on the trailer.

It might be cheaper to sort the tractor out as a specialist vehicle?

I will report back as the 130 Landi crew cab is 22k+ New and who wants to ride round in one of them all day and every day.

DD does the Eco drive lift out the water when on the beach?

Im in the club on wallet cramp.

Jonny Fuller · 01 March 2003, 12:56

CH,
Two things, firstly I think at this stage one has to give vilevo the benefit of the doubt on choosing a suitable grade of tupperware for this plastic thingy, and assume that all metal parts exposed to the nasty stuff will be either 304 (A2) or 316(A4) grade Stainless Steel, on this assumption, I fail to see what the problem would be with it living in the water 24-7

And secondly, No, the Ecodrive is permanently positioned as you see it in the picture.

Jonny Fuller · 01 March 2003, 13:12

Quote:

Originally posted by Dirk Diggler
Ha, not so foolish after all, Mr Jonny "smartypants" fuller.

Wisetrousers to you!
You're still a fool!

In fact, instead of "oops I'll try it again" shouldn't it be "oops I did it again" Britney Diggler!

sirzap · 01 March 2003, 13:27

Have you look at the possibility of a hydro hoist system?
http://www.boatlift.com/

crazyhorse · 01 March 2003, 13:35

JF Its a personal preference on leaving my drive in the water all day and every day,if its possible then I am happier being out the water when the boat isnt used..

If she comes out then there is no anti fouling to do and scrubbing the bottom.The drive is designd to be submersable all the time sp tecinicaly it isnt a problem but if there is a way round ut then that is my preference.

If the Eco drive doesnt lift up then whats is the advantage when you want to take the ground?

The most effective way of achieving no power loss is for staight shaft drives ,but on a rib you may want to take the ground as we can so im not sure of the benefits?

Jonny Fuller · 01 March 2003, 13:49

The Eco drive isn't about beachability, it's about hp rating (compared to a sterndrive) and efficiency (low drag factor), having said this, it wouldn't be my choice!

crazyhorse · 01 March 2003, 13:57

Sirzap
Thanks for the imfo it looks a nice piece of kit.

What im trying to achieve is very little cost and the drive out the water,withought making the boat vulnerable to theft.

The problem is that most of the good Marinas to me have little or no slips and if they do then they have Bad security.We live only half a mile from the sea but we are tidal and no good security.

I think I may have a way round the problem.It will im sure be recieved as real madness but here we go.

I want the security of a Marina withought the boat being in the water ,I want the equivilent of the Hydra hoist withought the cost and the boat being on show 24 hrs a day.

On dry land the lift in ,lift out charges can be a lot of money So how do i get the boat floating withought the Stern drive being in the water.

So here is my Crazy plan.

I get a inflatable bag made,that one end is tied to the pontoon.I arrive back form my trip,in good spirits I hope, and come alongside my berth. I detach my Banana shaped bag and lead it under my transom not inflated of course, and tie it to my aft side cleats on the othere side of the boat,aprox under the transome.I inflate it by foot pump and hay presto the back end is out the water,I stick a bag over the drive unit and all is well.?

I recon on the cost of the bag will be about 800$ .Is it a runner?

crazyhorse · 01 March 2003, 14:01

JF the eco is not my choice either.

Jonny Fuller · 01 March 2003, 14:01

You're barking mad!

P.S. there's a guy on www.offshoreonly.com using your name!

Dirk Diggler · 01 March 2003, 14:04

Read this, you oldens might need your glasses.

crazyhorse · 01 March 2003, 14:09

I new It wouldn take you long to respond JF ,I have to go now as got to pick the dogs up.

Who cares as our boat is called Crazyhorse as its the boat people remember not there own name.

crazyhorse · 01 March 2003, 14:12

That eco drive looks like an uprotected prop sticking out the back end of a planning hull?

Dirk Diggler · 01 March 2003, 14:13

Isn't that what you get with a sterndrive!

Jonny Fuller · 01 March 2003, 14:16

CH,
No offence intended, but it's a mad idea, by the time you get the drive clear of the water, your bow will be under it! when the tupperware's available I would go there, as it will dissolve more slowly than your hull! and that's gonna take an age!

Dirk Diggler · 01 March 2003, 14:18

Here is a copy of a letter from the manufacturer:

Detail of the ECO Drive attached, hope it makes sense :-
Here is a short report from two of the “test”-boats, hope you can use this.

In the early spring of 1999 approximately 15 Eco- Drives were produced by the developer, for the purpose of long term trials. These were sold through a dealer in Juan-Les-Pins in the south of France. Last summer we were in France and talked to the owner of two of the boats.

Boat 1: Sunseeker Tomahawk 40’, 2x Mercruiser 330 hps, Bravo drives. Results after changing to Eco-Drives: Increased top speed from 48 to 57 kts, saved 34% fuel costs, and after more than 3 years of use in the Mediteranean, not one problem with the drives.

Boat 2: Sunseeker Cobra 39’, 2x Mercruiser 330 hps, Bravo drives. Results: Increased top speed from 40 to 48 kts, saved 32% fuel costs, and after more than 3 years of use in the Mediteranean, not one problem with the drives.

Both boats were used all year, and for long distances between the Baleares, Sicily, Italy, Corsica and France. He did not know the hours, but it was quite a few.

crazyhorse · 03 March 2003, 13:45

DD since when did we start believing what a company says when its trying to sell its new products in the marine market?

You supprise me as I had you down as weary cynick?

If you go and ask a Turkey what it wants to eat for Christmas,Do you actualy believe its going to say Eh Dirk, I want Turkey with all the trimmings.?And here is a recipie for turkey Pie?

crazyhorse · 03 March 2003, 14:04

I have nearly sorted my storage and lanch problems out,

1st option Farm near me 200yds away £5oo pa use my own Tractor as a specilist vehicle and sort the launcher so as to be legal. But Tidal, so some monthly midnight weekend launches

2nd option Sell tractor and leave boat in Holyhead at boatyard out water on launcher,£700 pa plus £15 a lift in and £15 out.Water all the time.

Plus £15 to stay on the Holyhead marina over night.

Dirk Diggler · 03 March 2003, 19:45

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Originally posted by crazyhorse
DD since when did we start believing what a company says when its trying to sell its new products in the marine market?

You supprise me as I had you down as weary cynick?

If you go and ask a Turkey what it wants to eat for Christmas,Do you actualy believe its going to say Eh Dirk, I want Turkey with all the trimmings.?And here is a recipie for turkey Pie?

I only posted a copy of the letter, I didn't give an opinion, neither did I say I agreed with it. I too am sceptical about the claims, but I shall soon be able to see a drive in use as one is being fitted to a 9 metre Sportsrib in the next couple of months, coupled to a 300hp V8 "marine Diesel". (supercharged Chevrolet)

As for a turkey asking for a turkey dinner, probably a sensible suggestion, after all, it could hardly be served to itself!