Water Separating Fuel Filters???

whisper · 02 November 2011, 19:57

Hi, Are these worth while when using plastic fuel tanks?

I was thinking of fitting one of these:

Yamaha Water Separating Fuel Filter, 10micron

Thanks

captnjack · 02 November 2011, 20:12

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Originally Posted by whisper

Hi, Are these worth while when using plastic fuel tanks?

I was thinking of fitting one of these:

Yamaha Water Separating Fuel Filter, 10micron

Thanks

I have something similar, thank god.

Why would you think plastic tanks would be different than any other? They can all get water or crud in them.

whisper · 02 November 2011, 20:19

I always thought that steel tanks were more likely to get condensation?

wavelength · 02 November 2011, 20:36

can still get a bad fill that comes complete with its own water

biffer · 02 November 2011, 20:44

Not really. Stainless tanks are usually built in and don't get as much temperature swings as plastic portable ones. Also fuel purchased at marine outlets can suffer from water also. A good fuel filter is always worth while and will safeguard against what could be a heap of trouble

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BumbleAbout · 02 November 2011, 23:38

I think that the water separating bit is a good idea, but I couldn't justify the £88 so have got by with a £30 auto equivalent one by spray painting the top aluminium section. That has worked fine on the last couple of boats for me.

I have suffered far more water from a fuel barge than from over wintering though.

Ribochet · 02 November 2011, 23:56

Water can get into plastic fuel tanks through the air vent screw as I learnt from experience so yes a water separator is a very good idea

whisper · 03 November 2011, 00:49

I have noticed quite a few occasions lately when water could become a problem:

1. Water on the exposed spare tank fittings.

2. Water around the breather hole on the tank cap.

3. The filling hose on the fuel barge was not replaced into the fuel pump (like you would do in a petrol station) instead it was hung with the spout facing up on a hook and it was pi$$ing it down.

4. Any water you may encounter while changing over the fittings to the next tank while out in the rough stuff.

5. Contaminated fuel, which before this thread I think I have over looked

whisper · 03 November 2011, 01:00

Oh yeah...

6. Condensation.

I think I might buy one

Fenlander · 03 November 2011, 08:28

I guess the way these work they always have to be upright fixed to the transom or similar.... can't be an inline??

jyasaki · 03 November 2011, 16:32

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Originally Posted by BumbleAbout

I couldn't justify the £88 so have got by with a £30 auto equivalent one by spray painting the top aluminium section.

The standard Yamaha filter mount is aluminum. For twice the price (about $100 vs $50) they offer a SS version (both come with a filter canister; no drainable bowl, just a solid canister, like an auto oil filter cartridge.)

The aluminum bracket got really ugly really quickly: Within a year, the paint had peeled, and the aluminum appeared to be completely encased in salt (it wasn't but the oxidation made it look that way), and that was with rinsing after every outing.

Found a guy who had the SS mounts for about $50, and haven't looked back.

For anyone interested, the Yamaha filter mount works with a Racor S3213 filter (which has the clear drainable bowl.)

jky

PeterM · 03 November 2011, 17:07

Got one inside the console on Streaker and never had an issue with water (never had water let alone an issue).

Now I'm trying to find the 'filter' part to get it replaced . Its got the clear bowl filter & it seems to be genuine Yam part ... Buggered if I can find anything like the right filter as yam part ...

Think its the Ali top , but has led a sheltered life ( literally) so still looks fine. Am sure I posted a pic on here somewhere maybe ?

Yep - here
http://www.rib.net/forum/f8/fuel-tan...s-30404-2.html

..still looks like this 5 years old now..

whisper · 03 November 2011, 21:28

I've been looking around and the prices are all over the place:

items in fuel filter store on eBay!

The all plastic Yamaha one seems like one of the most expensive, however you can pick a metal one up for as little as £28.

Pete, is this your filter?

Yamaha Water Separating Fuel Filter Element for engines over 115hp | eBay

Downhilldai · 03 November 2011, 22:20

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Originally Posted by PeterM

Now I'm trying to find the 'filter' part to get it replaced . Its got the clear bowl filter & it seems to be genuine Yam part ... ..

As jyasaki said, a Racor cartridge will fit and should come in a few quid less than the genuine Yam one in Whisper's link

Like this:
http://www.asap-supplies.com/marine/...pin-on-element

whisper · 03 November 2011, 22:26

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Originally Posted by Downhilldai

As jyasaki said, a Racor cartridge will fit and should come in a few quid less than the genuine Yam one in Whisper's link

It sure does

Parker Racor S3213 Replacement Fuel / Water Separator | eBay

And they're in Poole

Downhilldai · 03 November 2011, 22:43

Worth Pete checking, but I think his filter head needs the S3227 cartridge:

Parker Racor S3227 Replacement Fuel / Water Element | eBay

whisper · 04 November 2011, 00:55

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Originally Posted by Downhilldai

Worth Pete checking, but I think his filter head needs the S3227 cartridge:

Parker Racor S3227 Replacement Fuel / Water Element | eBay

Yep, I think you're right, Pete's filter looks like a 'MARINE 320R-RAC-01' which uses a Racor S3227

Hightower · 04 November 2011, 01:02

Got one of THESE in my boat. Had one in my last too and never had a problem, great for water seperating and you can visibly check for water instead of stripping the whole lot down. Filters are dirt cheap, you can get finer grades of filter than that supplied and in the whole make a very economical filter and worth the money just for the water seperating feature.

PS: I've got one with a deeper bowl, if I find it I'll post it later.

Here it is: LINK

Downhilldai · 04 November 2011, 01:40

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hightower

Got one of THESE in my boat. Had one in my last too and never had a problem, great for water seperating and you can visibly check for water instead of stripping the whole lot down. Filters are dirt cheap, you can get finer grades of filter than that supplied and in the whole make a very economical filter and worth the money just for the water seperating feature.

PS: I've got one with a deeper bowl, if I find it I'll post it later.

Here it is: LINK

I've used them in the past - filters are around £2 apiece and readily available from all agricultural and plant suppliers

The ally isn't too keen on the salty air though.

Hightower · 04 November 2011, 02:06

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Originally Posted by Downhilldai

I've used them in the past - filters are around £2 apiece and readily available from all agricultural and plant suppliers

The ally isn't too keen on the salty air though.

She's fine if kept in the forward locker and in the dry