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04 March 2020, 22:24
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Country: UK - Channel Islands
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Boat name: Jazcabel
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What prop size
Hi all,
I’m after a new prop for my 7.2m rib. I’m currently running a yammy Hpdi 150 and want a new prop.
I have taken the old one off and I can’t see any writing or numbers on it anywhere which is weird in itself, so I have no idea I’m afraid what size or pitch it is.
The motor is fairly old and i fanccy a change in prop so I can get the same speed and performance but maybe drop the revs a bit to achieve that, if possible. I’m thinking to achieve this I will need a higher pitch than normal, would that be right?
Could anyone on here either recommend a size and pitch please and whether or not to go 3 or 4 blade?
Thanks in advance
Craig
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04 March 2020, 22:38
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What prop size
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Originally Posted by Chanchan168
Hi all,
I’m after a new prop for my 7.2m rib. I’m currently running a yammy Hpdi 150 and want a new prop.
I have taken the old one off and I can’t see any writing or numbers on it anywhere which is weird in itself, so I have no idea I’m afraid what size or pitch it is.
The motor is fairly old and i fanccy a change in prop so I can get the same speed and performance but maybe drop the revs a bit to achieve that, if possible.
Could anyone on here either recommend a size and pitch please and whether or not to go 3 or 4 blade?
Thanks in advance
Craig
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What’s your current WOT with your existing prop. What is the WOT rpm for your engine?
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04 March 2020, 22:44
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Gonna need to figure out what you have.
https://youtu.be/Uzv_m_Gm1es
Then... Work out if changing pitch makes sense.. it's always comprising something to gain something else...
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04 March 2020, 23:16
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Member
Country: UK - Channel Islands
Town: Jersey
Boat name: Jazcabel
Make: Ballistic
Length: 7m +
Engine: Petrol 150
Join Date: May 2017
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Wot is 4500-5500 range. Current is circa 5200. Can’t see any markings on prop or hub, so have no idea on diameter or pitch.
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04 March 2020, 23:41
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Country: UK - Scotland
Town: north ayrshire
Boat name: charlie girl
Make: S/R5.4/regal3760
Length: 10m +
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Chanchan168
Wot is 4500-5500 range. Current is circa 5200. Can’t see any markings on prop or hub, so have no idea on diameter or pitch.
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Not realy much room for improvement there your pretty much bang on. You certainly dont want to pull rpm off by overpropping it to reduce rpm. Thats more harmful than being underpropped
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05 March 2020, 07:57
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Town: Waterlooville
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Would increasing the diameter and reducing the pitch slightly make it more efficient by decreasing the slip?
This would reduce the tip clearance which may well throw up its own probems.
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05 March 2020, 11:12
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Is it ally or stainless?
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05 March 2020, 12:52
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Country: UK - Channel Islands
Town: Jersey
Boat name: Jazcabel
Make: Ballistic
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Thanks. What I am trying to achieve is to get the same speed output but at lower revs to put less stress on engine. I was hoping that a slightly smaller diameter with a larger pitch, may achieve this.
Mine is ally at the moment
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05 March 2020, 13:13
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Member
Country: UK - England
Town: South Yorks
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Make: Ribcraft
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Chanchan168
Thanks. What I am trying to achieve is to get the same speed output but at lower revs to put less stress on engine. I was hoping that a slightly smaller diameter with a larger pitch, may achieve this.
Mine is ally at the moment
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Quite the reverse happens. You will be putting additional stress on the engine by increasing pitch.
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05 March 2020, 13:25
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Member
Country: UK - Channel Islands
Town: Jersey
Boat name: Jazcabel
Make: Ballistic
Length: 7m +
Engine: Petrol 150
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Pikey Dave
Quite the reverse happens. You will be putting additional stress on the engine by increasing pitch.
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Even by dropping slightly the diameter? Oh really, I was hoping that increasing pitch would mean the boat moves through the water further with each rotation, therefore I could drop the revs slightly to get the same output.
I understand that an under revving engine is just as bad or worse than an overrevving engine due to coking, ecu and fuel issues, so I guess the engine needs to able to operate in the wot range even if you don’t push it that far.
Thanks anyway. Appreciated
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05 March 2020, 15:56
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Town: Retford
Boat name: Spy-sea-one
Make: Excel 435
Length: 4m +
Engine: Suzuki Outboard/25/4
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you could get 5% more out of a stainless prop talk to steel developments they were great with me offering advice there's more to it than pitch and diameter for fine tuning
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05 March 2020, 18:29
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Chanchan168
Can’t see any markings on prop or hub, so have no idea on diameter or pitch.
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I linked to a YouTube video that shows how to measure.
But I'm not convinced changing will achieve much. Try not driving so fast!
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05 March 2020, 20:30
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Town: Jersey
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Make: Ballistic
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Quote:
Originally Posted by jeffstevens763@g
you could get 5% more out of a stainless prop talk to steel developments they were great with me offering advice there's more to it than pitch and diameter for fine tuning
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Will do thanks
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05 March 2020, 22:02
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Town: north ayrshire
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Pikey Dave
Quite the reverse happens. You will be putting additional stress on the engine by increasing pitch.
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Hit the nail on the head [emoji106]
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05 March 2020, 22:06
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Country: UK - Channel Islands
Town: Jersey
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ShinyShoe
I linked to a YouTube video that shows how to measure.
But I'm not convinced changing will achieve much. Try not driving so fast!
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Seen that, thanks
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06 March 2020, 02:07
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Make: Ribcraft
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Quote:
Originally Posted by jeffstevens763@g
you could get 5% more out of a stainless prop talk to steel developments they were great with me offering advice there's more to it than pitch and diameter for fine tuning
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I spoke to Steel Developments recently about reworking one of my stainless props and had the most unhelpful woman on the end of the phone.
The prop has gone elsewhere now.
I have previously used Poole Propulsion and Propeller Revolutions but neither seems to be around any longer.
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06 March 2020, 09:20
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RIBnet admin team
Country: UK - England
Town: Cambridgeshire
Boat name: Nimrod II
Make: Aerotec 380
Length: 3m +
Engine: Yam 15 Tohatsu 9.8
Join Date: Nov 2007
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>>> spoke to Steel Developments recently
It's odd... I've had them be as helpful as anyone can be... and then quite the reverse... with similar enquiries a few months apart.
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06 March 2020, 10:14
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Member
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Town: South Yorks
Boat name: Black Pig
Make: Ribcraft
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Engine: DF140a
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Quote:
Originally Posted by beamishken
Hit the nail on the head [emoji106]
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Aye, but what do we know
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06 March 2020, 12:23
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Unhelpful woman new one on me
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06 March 2020, 12:58
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Member
Country: UK - England
Town: South Yorks
Boat name: Black Pig
Make: Ribcraft
Length: 5m +
Engine: DF140a
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Quote:
Originally Posted by jeffstevens763@g
Unhelpful woman new one on me
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I thought you were married [emoji848]
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