Which outboard to buy + best price

[steven9586]

Hi guys

Going to buy a Zodiac cadet fastroller 360 activ-v SIB and I'm wondering which outboard to buy. Been looking at various engines all 15hp 4 stroke but I'm not sure what to buy with all the conflicting advice. The outboards are as follows

Mariner 15 (F-N-R on tiller)
Tohatsu 15 (Mmmmmm??)
Suzuki 15 (meant to be old design)
Yamaha 15 (expensive)
Honda 15 (heard poor reports)
Selva Wahoo15 ( Wahoo who???)

The prices are a vast difference so not sure what to go for. One dealer said the Mariner would be the one to get but another dealer said because the forward and reverse were on the tiller they did not recommend it as you turn it one way for forward and the other for reverse.

Any info would be much appreciated

Also if any dealers are interested in working out a deal for both I'm open to offers as I have not bought either yet.

Regards

Steven

[Max...]

Are you talking 4 stroke (presumably if this is new from a dealer)?? That's a big old lump on a small SIB and not really portable by one person - a 2 stroke 15 would be a much better idea. A Tohatsu or Yam would probably be the best bet.

[Boats&Outboards]

Ideal world go for the Yam. Cost being considered the winner is Mariner as having the gears being built into the throttle is brilliant. You get used to the gears (my 7yr old did with ease) and it's much better than leaning around the side of the motor each time.

Tohatsu, nice option but not as robust as the others. Avoid the Suzuki DT range they've had their day. Selva is just not worth considering. Honda, nice motors but far too heavy being 4 stroke which is something to avoid at that size of boat/HP... Especially if your not planning on trailering it.

Saying that though it will still depend on each individual engine and it's history. I'd rather have a pristine Selva than a worn out yammie....ok maybe not but you get my point!

Peter @ Boatsandoutboards4sale ~ askboatsandoutboards4sale@sky.com ~ 07930 421007

[steven9586]

Cheers, just need to say I'm looking at new so they are all 4 strokes. The SIB weighs 41kg and a 4 stroke outboard about 50kg so shouldn't be to bad. There's 2 of us in any case.

Steven

[Nos4r2]

Originally Posted by steven9586

4 stroke outboard about 50kg so shouldn't be to bad. There's 2 of us in any case.

Try carrying before you buy. 50kg is easy to dead lift solo,but it's not easy when it's an odd shape with bits digging into you, you're on weed and your feet are sinking into the sand.

[Boats&Outboards]

Originally Posted by steven9586

Cheers, just need to say I'm looking at new so they are all 4 strokes. The SIB weighs 41kg and a 4 stroke outboard about 50kg so shouldn't be to bad. There's 2 of us in any case.

Steven

I think you may come to regret that decision but I respect you've thought it through and obviously you know more as to how it will be used than we do, so 4 stroke it is. I should have read your post better

Still say Yamaha followed by Honda then Mariner. Suzuki then Tohatsu.

Let us know what you decide.

Peter @ Boatsandoutboards4sale ~ askboatsandoutboards4sale@sky.com ~ 07930 421007

[Max...]

I always thought I wanted a 4 stroke - read enough posts on here and you might change your mind! I went for a 2 stroke and would not go back. On a SIB especially the lighter weight, less bulk and quick pick up is a big advantage. My Tohatsu 2 stroke is even simpler than the engine in my old Landy or lawnmower unlike a modern 4 stroke outboard...

[Max...]

Mini-hijack alert - Peter, while you're here can you help on the Yam 15 2S history ( http://www.rib.net/forum/f36/2-strok...ase-42930.html ) - when was the last sold 15hp Yam 2S (15FMHS) introduced? - late 90's?

[Fenlander]

>>>50kg is easy to dead lift solo,but it's not easy when it's an odd shape with bits digging into you

Nos is so right.

Our 26kg Tohatsu 9.8 was a fairly easy carry almost anywhere. Our current Mariner 15 at 35kg is much more awkward in lots of situations. Previously we had a 50kg Mariner and that was pig to move any further than a few feet across the garage.

BTW. I see you've chosen the same Zodiac as mine, did you see my pics and review? Are you buying the boat new too.... managed to find anyone who actually has one in stock at the discount prices?

[br1anuk]

Wooooooh don't go 4stroke on a small sib, that's why the price of good condition 2strokes are going through the roof.

Merchant bankers are having a hard time whether to put their investments into gold or excellent condition 10-15hp 2strokes never mind the wholly grail the 18hp Tohatsu.

Brian.

[Boats&Outboards]

Originally Posted by Max...

Mini-hijack alert - Peter, while you're here can you help on the Yam 15 2S history ( http://www.rib.net/forum/f36/2-strok...ase-42930.html ) - when was the last sold 15hp Yam 2S (15FMHS) introduced? - late 90's?

Hi

Ive not followed that thread and I don't know when the last of that actual model was sold but the Yam 15hp 2 stroke was last built for sale in 2006. The first of that model I've had was around 1999 I think. Nice motors if you can find em

Peter @ Boatsandoutboards4sale ~ askboatsandoutboards4sale@sky.com ~ 07930 421007

[Max...]

Thanks Peter - yes, there are some about - posted a couple of links here:
http://www.rib.net/forum/f36/2-strok...tml#post411405 - seem to go about £1200 to £1300 on eBay at present for a nice one.

[Dino89]

get a good second hand 2 stroke, pleeeeeeeeese dont get a four stroke on a sib you will probably regret it

[willk]

Originally Posted by Boats&Outboards

Ideal world go for the Yam. Cost being considered the winner is Mariner as having the gears being built into the throttle is brilliant. You get used to the gears (my 7yr old did with ease) and it's much better than leaning around the side of the motor each time.

Tohatsu, nice option but not as robust as the others. Avoid the Suzuki DT range they've had their day. Selva is just not worth considering. Honda, nice motors but far too heavy being 4 stroke which is something to avoid at that size of boat/HP...

That's an interesting analysis Peter. The Honda (47kg) appears to be lighter than the Yam (52kg), Mariner (51.5kg) or Tohatsu (52kg).

I don't have your experience with outboards, so I can't comment on the Suzuki DT...

[Boats&Outboards]

Originally Posted by willk

That's an interesting analysis Peter. The Honda (47kg) appears to be lighter than the Yam (52kg), Mariner (51.5kg) or Tohatsu (52kg).

I don't have your experience with outboards, so I can't comment on the Suzuki DT...

I was comparing the Honda 4 stroke to the others which I understood to be 2 stroke, not 4. Now I know the OP wants consideration based on all being%

[Boats&Outboards]

[QUOTE="Boats&Outboards"]

I was comparing the Honda 4 stroke to the others which I understood to be 2 stroke, not 4. Now I know the OP wants consideration based on all being 4 stroke the weight is not an issue. I'm still not convinced 4 stroke is the way to go but the OP knows best his intended use so there we go. The usual rig seems to be 2 stroke.

Peter @ Boatsandoutboards4sale ~ askboatsandoutboards4sale@sky.com ~ 07930 421007

[steven9586]

Hi Guys

I can't buy a new 2 stroke and the SIB states 15hp max with a 55kg max weight (outboard)

I plan to carry the SIB and outboard in the back of the 4x4 then inflate when on holiday and use launch wheels on the transom

I plan to go fishing and also tow a ringo in the sea.

Why does everyone hate 4 strokes, is it just the weight factor?

Don't 4 strokes have more torque? correct spelling????????

cheers

Steven

[Boats&Outboards]

Originally Posted by steven9586

Hi Guys

I can't buy a new 2 stroke and the SIB states 15hp max with a 55kg max weight (outboard)

I plan to carry the SIB and outboard in the back of the 4x4 then inflate when on holiday and use launch wheels on the transom

I plan to go fishing and also tow a ringo in the sea.

Why does everyone hate 4 strokes, is it just the weight factor?

Don't 4 strokes have more torque? correct spelling????????

cheers

Steven

I doubt you will be towing a ringo with a 15hp 4 stroke on such a sized S.I.B I think it will struggle!

I don't hate 4 strokes I just think it's not suited to that size boat for the needs you say. Maybe I'm wrong. Fishing will be fine with it, great in fact as it will be cheap fuel, quiet and reliable being new!

Carrying will become an issue, as will storage in the truck.

Id suggest going for a very clean 2 stroke before committing to new. See how you get on. If it's no good sell it for what you paid. Either way, I'm sure it will work out one way or another though.

Peter @ Boatsandoutboards4sale ~ askboatsandoutboards4sale@sky.com ~ 07930 421007

[steven9586]

Yeah, see what your saying, but the SIB is a zodiac cadet fastroller 360 activ-v and it only weighs 41 kg so not much weight for the outboard to push so it should pull the ringo, hopefully.

The zodiac is meant to get on the plane quite quickly.

So is the main issue just the weight?

Cheers Steven

[Nos4r2]

Originally Posted by steven9586

Don't 4 strokes have more torque?

No, less torque as the engine is firing half as many times.