Yamaha 200HPDI ??

ccopith · 27 November 2006, 21:10

Just wondering about the yamaha 200hpdi ?? was looking at getting a four stroke for a 6.3m ribcraft but have had some poor expierences with four strokes on dive boats with regard to pick up. it was found that out in abit of a swell where your constantly working the throttle the boats just weren't picking up fast enough. I was told to look at the yamaha 200hpdi apparently has the pick up of a 2 stroke put comes very close to the fuel efficency of a four stroke any views out there ??

Roy Smith · 27 November 2006, 21:36

RichardB as had one for a few years with no probleams (I think)
you might want to pm him

codprawn · 27 November 2006, 21:54

Good engines - as are the Evinrudes FICHTs. I love 2 strokes!!!

Richard B · 27 November 2006, 22:31

Yep, had ours for about three and a half years. To date, no problems over about 450 hours use, and after talking with the mechanics at dealers I'm not aware of any modifications, which is more than can be said for Optis and Etecs. Ours is worked hard and still achieves 1.1 to 1.2 litres per Nm. Oil consumption is higher than other DI engines though.

One minor fault to watch out for is the lower trim unit pivot bolts working loose and falling off. I now check them every trip and tighten them with a half inch ring spanner.

Pick-up is great, and our boat is a pleasure to drive with this engine.

Charles · 28 November 2006, 14:46

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Originally Posted by codprawn

Good engines - as are the Evinrudes FICHTs. I love 2 strokes!!!

How do you know this? Have you had years of experience as Richard and Allan do with these engines - or is this just another case of you not being able to help yourself and feel compelled to respond to each and every post and then finish off with your statutory 3 exclamation marks ...

codprawn · 28 November 2006, 14:53

Obviously as compelled as you are to be an obnoxious git with nothing better to do than attack people!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

BogMonster · 28 November 2006, 22:18

Is there much difference in fuel consumption between these and some of the whizzy technology ones like Optis and Etecs?

Richard B · 28 November 2006, 22:33

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Originally Posted by BogMonster

Is there much difference in fuel consumption between these and some of the whizzy technology ones like Optis and Etecs?

Uh? These? You mean Yammie HPDIs? They use the same "whizzy technology" as the Optri and Etec! It's just implemented in a slightly different way as Orbital Engineering have the patent on the high pressure system that Optis use, so Evinrude and Yamaha have had to re-invent the wheel for their 2-stroke fuel injection system.

codprawn · 29 November 2006, 00:02

My Suzuki DT225 efi is one of the older type systems apparently and yet it seems no worse on fuel than the newer 2 strokes and 4 strokes. Maybe it's the twin spark that helps - just like my old Alfa!!!

BogMonster · 29 November 2006, 00:31

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Originally Posted by Richard B

Uh? These? You mean Yammie HPDIs? They use the same "whizzy technology" as the Optri and Etec! It's just implemented in a slightly different way as Orbital Engineering have the patent on the high pressure system that Optis use, so Evinrude and Yamaha have had to re-invent the wheel for their 2-stroke fuel injection system.

Ah I see - sorry I thought for some reason that the Yammerhammer HPDI's were a generation behind Opti/Etec in terms of injection technology and that maybe that was why they don't go wrong. Looks like Mac specify Yamaha for the plastic bathtub boat so I'll hopefully find out about the Y reliability first hand within about 12 months or so

pathalla · 29 November 2006, 02:33

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Originally Posted by codprawn

Obviously as compelled as you are to be an obnoxious git with nothing better to do than attack people!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Cod, that was more than three exclamation marks...

Tony Hill · 03 December 2006, 08:34

Yamaha 150 HPDI - direct long term experience (same block as 200 HPDI)
Fairly bombproof as engine, a couple of incidental faults but we have had 10 of these engines over the last 6 years. Each one has had between 1500 and 2300 hours before being moved on or boat sold. I am aware that some of the engines sold to other commercial operators are still workng well. Servicing helps - fairly easy for the season and the obvious bits in he winter sort out

Hugh Jardon · 04 December 2006, 11:40

cod,

if you ever want to sell the alfa then let me know as we are in search for a car that is fun reliable spacious and very very economical

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Originally Posted by codprawn

My Suzuki DT225 efi is one of the older type systems apparently and yet it seems no worse on fuel than the newer 2 strokes and 4 strokes. Maybe it's the twin spark that helps - just like my old Alfa!!!

codprawn · 04 December 2006, 14:08

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Originally Posted by Hugh Jardon

cod,

if you ever want to sell the alfa then let me know as we are in search for a car that is fun reliable spacious and very very economical

Yet another sterotype. My Alfa 75 was bought in 1994 with 30,000 miles on it. It now has 175,000 miles and never broke down once - it also has NO rust!!! It was pretty good on fuel(2l twin spark) - handled like a dream and was FUN to drive. Also plenty of room inside. I won't get rid of it because it's the last of the RWD Alfas!!!

I also had a few of the 156s on hire - 15,000 miles in 6 weeks and then they would go back. They were far more fun to drive than the Audis and VWs I also had and at the end of 6 weeks of very hard abuse they hadn't "gone off" quite so much.

Hugh Jardon · 04 December 2006, 16:04

what sterotype are you referring to in my post? personally i like alfas

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Yet another sterotype. My Alfa 75 was bought in 1994 with 30,000 miles on it. It now has 175,000 miles and never broke down once - it also has NO rust!!! It was pretty good on fuel(2l twin spark) - handled like a dream and was FUN to drive. Also plenty of room inside. I won't get rid of it because it's the last of the RWD Alfas!!!

I also had a few of the 156s on hire - 15,000 miles in 6 weeks and then they would go back. They were far more fun to drive than the Audis and VWs I also had and at the end of 6 weeks of very hard abuse they hadn't "gone off" quite so much.

codprawn · 04 December 2006, 18:56

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Originally Posted by Hugh Jardon

what sterotype are you referring to in my post? personally i like alfas

Whoops sorry - thought you were being sarky!!!

Hugh Jardon · 04 December 2006, 21:31

actually i do like alfas, but i have learned that if i want an item that is faster, more reliable, better for towing, better for off roading, better handling, cheaper, cleaner, smoother, more economical etc etc then it would seem easier to buy one of your items as they always seem to come out top no matter what the competition.

thinking of letting the TD5 go and getting a nice little diesel estate or galaxy or such like

Downhilldai · 05 December 2006, 22:39

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Originally Posted by codprawn

I also had a few of the 156s on hire - 15,000 miles in 6 weeks and then they would go back.....

Did the hire company supply you with loads of cans of engine oil before you took it away?

codprawn · 05 December 2006, 22:58

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Did the hire company supply you with loads of cans of engine oil before you took it away?

Didn't use a drop - more than can be said for the VW Golfs I had. My 175,000 mile twin spark didn't use much oil either.