Yamaha F250A vs Verado 250

amerigo · 14 October 2005, 10:11

hi!

1) witch 2 x 250 would be more preferable for 9m RIB and heavy duty chartering?
reliability & fuel
2) is it worth to go for Verado 275 instead of Verado 250?

thanks a lot!

tomfalla · 14 October 2005, 13:33

In my opinion, neither! Suzuki all the way!

the Verado's cost a bomb more to buy (and run! I've heard of fuel consumption nearing 30gph) and really don't offer anything over the Yam or Suzi in performance to justify it.

The yam is great, but again is more expensive than the Suzi- which is a much smaller physical unit as it is a 55 degree v instead of 60. It is also a new addition to their range this season, where as the Suzi has a couple of years under its belt.

As for weight, the merc is so much heavier- even with a much smaller displacment!

Suzi- 3.6lt 263kg
Yam- 3.3lt 272kg
Merc- 2.6lt 294kg!!

I have been out in a 9.5 with twin Suzi 200s and it went awesomely! Just lacked top end- 50kts as I remember. (owner couldn't afford the 250's). In fact it went just as well if not better than a same size humber with 200 e-tec's. A 9m with twin 250's would be spot on.

I have a Suzi 250 on my 7.5, and I wouldn't change it for anything!! Apart from when they bring out their new 300(+)?? outboards next season (supposed to be a v8! and if mr Natwest will let me, I'll be ordering 2 of them!) I'm even getting a better top speed than an identical rib with a 250 2 stroke.

I know it doesn't answer your question, but I think you should definatly consider Suzuki's!

Andre · 14 October 2005, 13:38

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Originally Posted by amerigo

hi!

1) witch 2 x 250 would be more preferable for 9m RIB and heavy duty chartering?
reliability & fuel
2) is it worth to go for Verado 275 instead of Verado 250?

thanks a lot!

We have fitted the 250s and 275s on 9 mtr ribs. In Europe it is the same fuel grade for both engines
but as I understand in the US the 275 needs what you call Premium Grade fuel whereas the 250 can use the normal so for the extra 50HP you would be paying more for the fuel and of course a higher engine price. The twin 250's is a very good set up.
What rib did you have in mind?

eupa · 14 October 2005, 16:46

I reengined July and went for the 250 yams 2t HPDI.- but decision was based on the following:

(would have liked suzukis- but....)

-service in Belgium is non existant for suzuki - only in the last month have
they apointed an agent

- got a good deal from Yamaha on the 250's(marginally more expensive than
the 200) and cheaper than a suz.200
- previous installation was yams and the change over was pretty easy

saying that ,and now with some 25 hours with the new engines extremely delighted with performance.I did hear some horror stories some time ago as regards these engines... but thats always the probelm when you introuduce
new technology and there are always some lemons.......

Just one point my 250's weigh in at 252 kgs???
Current consumption WOT at 5100 rpm - 2300 kgs gross = 60 liters/hr/engine giving 56.5 knts in good conditions

Jonathan

Jonathan

The Jackeens · 14 October 2005, 17:02

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Originally Posted by eupa

60 liters/hr/engine giving 56.5 knts in good conditions

Jonathan

Jonathan

feck me thats good .. just over a ltr a mile at WOT

paul

eupa · 14 October 2005, 17:08

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Originally Posted by The Jackeens

feck me thats good .. just over a ltr a mile at WOT

paul

PAUL

note PER ENGINE and both going/ .... not particularily brilliant...

Jonathan

Turbodiesel · 14 October 2005, 20:57

Just finished rigging a boat with a pair of 150 Verados. Awsome things. Bit ugly though!!!

The 250 and 275 are very good, The gearchange and powered streering is quite impressive. If you could get one at a good price i would go for the Verado.
But of course i work for Barrus so i would say that!!

Holetown · 18 October 2005, 03:49

I am based in Barbados the only dealership here is Yamaha so it has to be yamaha.

I have orderd two aluminium glassbottom boats from paritet they are really cool they are hydrofoils they ares 8.9m long and 3.5m wide. I am not looking to break speed records just need economy. I have ordered a F250 for the first boat but have had extra features fitted on the second boat and thus with the extra weight they say an F250 just will not cut it but have recommended a Z300. Have heard horror storys about this engine in the reliability so am not to keen on having this. I have heard about the yamaha diesels which have just come out shown in England southampton boat show I think. What price are these compared to the Z300 and what version to get for the same power.

Ribshop · 18 October 2005, 19:37

We have just been involved in a test with most of the 250s on the market with Rib Magazine. Look out for the issue with this test in as it will have some unseen useful information!!

amerigo · 19 October 2005, 08:29

thak you Ribshop! i'm eager to see the results!

will that be test for twins or for singles?

here is translated swedish test for singles:
http://www.thehulltruth.com/forums/t...rt=26&posts=41

its very interesting, but imho twins could be a bit different story

eupa · 19 October 2005, 10:04

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Originally Posted by Ribshop

We have just been involved in a test with most of the 250s on the market with Rib Magazine. Look out for the issue with this test in as it will have some unseen useful information!!

could we have a 'sneak' preview??. Very curious. .. just a few snippets would be fine. i, e are my revised yams 250's 2t hpdi any good??

jonathan

Jono · 19 October 2005, 10:12

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Originally Posted by eupa

could we have a 'sneak' preview??. Very curious. .. just a few snippets would be fine. i, e are my revised yams 250's 2t hpdi any good??

jonathan

I've heard that they have a lot of problems and almost always spontaneously self-destruct at 150 hrs... how many have yours done?

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eupa · 19 October 2005, 10:37

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Originally Posted by Jono

I've heard that they have a lot of problems and almost always spontaneously self-destruct at 150 hrs... how many have yours done?

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25 and as sweat as you could imagine.....These were taken back off the shelf
by yamaha and had new software put in. Some perople in the states are at at 300+ hours and no probs. Come and try one day.

Jonathan

Ribshop · 19 October 2005, 16:30

Just singles!

OceanEco · 20 October 2005, 18:13

I would suggest going with the suzuki 250's. We have about 30 different charter companies in my area. Most of these companies are switching to the suzukis. If you choose to go with the verados I would suggest going with the 275's. Reason being that you can then run the at a lower rpm and achieve better fuel consumption, as well as the engines will not be working as hard.