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Old 22 August 2020, 19:23   #1
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DSC question

Looking to use the dsc functions more as a few more people have DSC radios now.

Does a dsc message go point to all points or does it get relayed? I ask as one of the functions on the HX890E appears to be he ability to send a position request to another vessel then navigate to their location. How ever is this limited in the same way as voice comms would be or does the message get relayed? Ie I am unable to contact the other vessel by voice due to distance a headland etc but will they get a dsc pos request? And will they be able to reply? It does and doesn’t make sense that they would.


All dsc radios “watch” the data channel for messages, messages can be a specific MMSI or a range/all MMSI in a group or location? Do you get an “out of range message” Or just ignored? I’ve not had chance to try it for real so want to know what to expect etc I have been impressed and shocked by he range and lack of range of my previous unit being able to clearly communicate with vessels far beyond my line of sight and unable to communicate with others I can see clearly (normally land based stations such as NCI)
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Old 22 August 2020, 19:52   #2
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I'd describe it as point to point, as in no other station is relaying/broadcasting any standard DSC messages you might send (although commercial Class A sets can do some relay features with Mayday alerts). But unlike a mobile phone, where the network equipment directs your call/message to the single receiving phone directly, with DSC announcements they are "broadcast" to everyone in your VHF range, but the receiving radios are then filtering out the announcements based on the MMSI number in the announcement, and their own programmed MMSI number(s).

Range will be much the same as with voice, although with the DSC announcement being only a tiny packet of digital data to send/receive on a dedicated channel, you might find it gets a tiny bit further where voice comms are really struggling.

Most modern DSC radios are constantly monitoring channel 70 for DSC announcements, although on the HX890E you only have a single antenna, so if you are transmitting/having a long voice conversation at the time, while your single antenna is transmitting you won't be able to receive any DSC announcements.

Routine announcements are typically to a single MMSI, although you can use the Group MMSI feature where multiple stations enter the same Group MMSI in their radios (you can request from Ofcom in the UK), and if you send an announcement to that Group MMSI, all stations that have entered it will receive the message. Obviously things like Distress alerts and Urgency/Safety DSC announcements are broadcast to all receiving stations within range, regardless of their MMSI number.

No out of range messages - like voice, you either get a response, or nothing!
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Thanks that what I thought was hoping ch70 had some fancy relay system, explains why 10 miles in land a dsc distress was picked up
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So, your boat behind a headland may respond. Digital range is expected to be further than voice.

The response is usually automatic, but a station can set up not to answer or possibly prompt before answering.

As for not getting a reply on 65 from NCI... They had to be listening...
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As for not getting a reply on 65 from NCI... They had to be listening...
True but I tried several times Even telephoned them form the beach, and then tested the radio again myself And it was very weak need to figure it out but bought a shiny new one so decide if I sell or keep the old one or bin it .....
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True but I tried several times Even telephoned them form the beach, and then tested the radio again myself And it was very weak need to figure it out but bought a shiny new one so decide if I sell or keep the old one or bin it .....
HH VHF range is very limited on VOX. You're TXing on 5-6 watts with a tiny antenna, likely not far from the water surface. The orientation of the antenna can make a huge difference too. The RX station will play a big role in the exchange too - if it is a station with a full antenna or land based array then it will hear you better than a RIB with a raider type antenna and waaay better than another HH unit will. My antennae are mounted about 2m above the water and I can just about pick up a HH on VOX around 3Nm away over water. If the HH user dips the antenna then they drop out. They can hear me clearly - 25w and a decent antenna.

DSC messages will have a much better range as only a tiny amount of digital data is transmitted - repeatedly, until acknowledgment is made.
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