M421 Flush Mount Template

DJL · 16 January 2005, 21:02

Jon - how come the flush mount template provided in the manual for the M421 is completely wrong?! It’s the old version for the M401 and therefore fairly useless.

The dimensions on the diagram are correct for the M421 but the diagram itself doesn't match those dimensions.

I have just made one for myself - it’s on my website if anyone wants it. Make sure you don't have any page scaling on when you print it out. Download Here

Zippy · 16 January 2005, 21:18

Wired!!

Im picking mine up tomorrow so will be sure to have a look before i cutting the console.

Tried to look at your template but it comes up with nothing. Might be this old computer so will try tomorrow when im in the office.

thanks for the warning!

DJL · 16 January 2005, 21:52

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zippy

Tried to look at your template but it comes up with nothing. Might be this old computer so will try tomorrow when im in the office.

Odd - its just a pdf file. If you want a can email you a copy.

Zippy · 16 January 2005, 22:01

tis alright.

Think its just this machine. will give it a go on my Laptop tomorrow. if still no joy ill drop you a line.

thanks
Howard

Mark Halliday · 17 January 2005, 08:49

Dan

Mine came with an Eratum slip. Look for a bit of pale yellow paper in the box.

The dimensions in the book are correct but the printed "hole" is wrong.
Mark it out to the dimensions given and you will be OK. Luckily the template is too small and can be made larger. Imagine if they printed the 601 template.

Jon Brooks · 17 January 2005, 10:52

We were made aware of this just be for Christmas.
All dealers should be aware of it by now and advising accordinly.

As stated there is an extra sheet in all M421 boxes now advising of correct sizing.

It is also on our website as a download.

Funny thing is of all the M421 that have been sold since September we have only recived a small number of phone calls regarding this from end users!

Hope it did not cause to much of a drama for you.

Regards

Searider · 17 January 2005, 11:51

Was very pleased with the cost of the M421 bought at the boat show but looked in the box and no flush mount brackets included!

Had to buy these as a separate item that cost £23!!!!! two pieces of bent stainless and some machine screws.

I think that if the dashboard bracket is included in the box then so should the flush mount kit.

What has everyone else been paying?

Jon Brooks · 17 January 2005, 11:56

Quote:

Originally Posted by Searider

Was very pleased with the cost of the M421 bought at the boat show but looked in the box and no flush mount brackets included!

Had to buy these as a separate item that cost £23!!!!! two pieces of bent stainless and some machine screws.

I think that if the dashboard bracket is included in the box then so should the flush mount kit.

What has everyone else been paying?

Well if we included it we would have to make them out of cheap and nasty plastic like some people do and they would not last!

Mind you I aware aware it is possible to cut and use the bracket supplied as a flush moount kit.
Lot of boat builders do it, so I understand!

Of course I can not recomend it myself!!!!!

Regards

Jon Brooks · 17 January 2005, 12:17

Flush mount kits of radio's as follows

RD68 £34.08
Nasa £25
Sliva £15
Standard £29
Ray54 54 £11.75
M601 £24.68
M421 £17.63

These are an average SRP found.

Hope that helps

DJL · 17 January 2005, 12:45

Only wasted a few sheets of paper and a trip to the garage. No little yellow sheet in my box - can't find it on the web either. Doesn't matter though.

I'm using my old M401 flush mount brackets, but I think I paid around £20 for them a few years back.

Jon - I have tried downloading the M421 PDF docs off the ICOM site from uni and home and they keep being reported as corrupt (leaflet and manual).

Jon Brooks · 17 January 2005, 12:52

Daniel

I will report that to our webmaster, thanks for the feedback

Template is under miscelaneous on the download section

DM · 17 January 2005, 13:20

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jon Brooks

RD68 £34.08
Nasa £25
Sliva £15
Standard £29
Ray54 54 £11.75
M601 £24.68
M421 £17.63

Navman 7100/7200 £0.

Comes with bracket mount and flush mount kit in the box.

DM

Jon Brooks · 17 January 2005, 13:59

Quote:

Originally Posted by davidmanning

Navman 7100/7200 £0.

Comes with bracket mount and flush mount kit in the box.

DM

Same for the Cobra too.
I was just trying to show a comparison on thoses that don't supply them.

Regards

DM · 17 January 2005, 15:09

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jon Brooks

I was just trying to show a comparison on thoses that don't supply them.

If Searider had to pay £23 for a product with a RRP of £17.63, thoses comparisons are worth diddly.

Add to these prices the time and fuel to go back to the dealer (30 mile round trip in my case) when you find out that there isn't a flush mount kit in the box and this

turns into this

.

DM

Jon Brooks · 17 January 2005, 15:33

Quote:

Originally Posted by davidmanning

If Searider had to pay £23 for a product with a RRP of £17.63, thoses comparisons are worth diddly.

Add to these prices the time and fuel to go back to the dealer (30 mile round trip in my case) when you find out that there isn't a flush mount kit in the box and this

turns into this

.

DM

It would seem to be and always been the case not to supply them as standard by a vast number of radio companies.

Only two I know of that do "give" it away and what they give away is not the same as our "bit of bent metal"

IMHO £23 does seem a bit odd, I would not expect to pay over the SRP.

Regards

Searider · 17 January 2005, 15:47

Jon,

Do you sell many flush mount kits? Or do most people fit their radios on the bracket?

I accept that if the vast majority of people fit their radios on the bracket then this should be included in the box and the flush mount kit considered a "specialist" extra.

I would have thought that most people flush mount though?

How about supplying without either mounting kit and then choosing the one you want either included in the price or at extra cost for all.

Anyway, when all's said and done the radio looks good, I can now fit it, but feel a bit peeved at the retailer.

The bent pieces of stainless do, actually, look quite good

Regards

Jon Brooks · 17 January 2005, 15:54

Hi Duncan

I have done a rough calculation based on M421 sales and flush mount sales for the last 3 months.
This is only a very rough guide.

From this it would indicate less than 15% flush mount the radios using the MB69.

I am pleased you are happy with the unit, I hope it serves you well.

Regards

Mark Halliday · 17 January 2005, 15:54

Jon

Pumkin quoted £21 at the show when I bought my 421 @ £210. Thats 10% of the radio cost!
Perhaps they were making up for exceeding Icoms wonderful LBS discounts.

The other reason I did not get the flush kit was that I want to I want to make a good seal between the dash and the radio, to stop water getting inside the console. Its a shame the front panel/case gasket does not extend over the back of the flange.
{Edit} I would have gladly paid the £21 if a gasket had been included in the kit.

P.S. Sent my registration form off today, dont forget yours for the extra 2 years peace of mind.

Zippy · 17 January 2005, 19:57

Looked in the box at lunchtime today. little yellow bit of paper with a few rectangles drawn on it! When i sum the courage to hack into my console ill be sure to use the right one!

As for flush mounting kit, i got the whole lot from Ocean Safety with a discount because we do work with them, needless to say im very pleased with a good looking product and a healthy discount on the RRP.

Thanks.
Zippy.

DJL · 18 January 2005, 11:10

Hi Jon, can I put forward that I think the radio power cables should be tinned.

I do like ICOM really..