MMSI VHF reset?

[RuhrPott]

Originally Posted by Pikey Dave

The easiest way is to contact ofcom ( assuming you're in the uk) & have the mmsi transferred to you.


Lions led by donkeys

Thx, but the MMSI ist transferred to the ex-owner´s new boat (in germany that´s possible). So i have to reset the MMSI in the VHF.

[Pikey Dave]

In that case it either back to Garmin or trawl through the interweb to see if there is a hack. Some radios can be reset with a secret button press sequence, but I don't know if that applies to Garmin, sorry.


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[willk]

Originally Posted by RuhrPott

Hello,
is there something new regarding the Garmin VHF100i MMSI reset ?
Just bought a new boat but the VHF is programmed with the ex-owners MMSI so i have to reset and program my new MMSI. very important for me cause i wanna start with holidays. Thx if there is any info

The MMSI "belongs" to the boat, not the previous owner. You should be able to have your local (German) telecommunications authority update the details to reflect your ownership.

If the MMSI is not German then that may be different?

[willk]

Originally Posted by RuhrPott

Thx, but the MMSI ist transferred to the ex-owner´s new boat (in germany that´s possible). So i have to reset the MMSI in the VHF.

I didn't know that! If correct it defeats to whole point of an MMSI - international databases will hold the out-of-date information for many months, possibly up to a year causing potential confusion in an emergency.

It also means a LOT of VHF sets being ripped out and reprogrammed each season!

[RuhrPott]

Databases all over the world should be updated regularly (daily or weekly). So the new ones would miss for many months, possibly up to a year if they don´t?
I´ll have a call tomorrow for checking this.

[willk]

Originally Posted by RuhrPott

Databases all over the world should be updated regularly (daily or weekly). So the new ones would miss for many months, possibly up to a year if they don´t?

That has been my experience - but I'm sure things are more efficient within Germany so it should not effect you at home.

[Festinghouse]

mmsi cant be transferred to germany, as the first two digits indicate the country. mmsi stays with boat, not individual. no argument or discussion. its very simple to contact ofcom and transfer details. radio should only be reset if upgraded and sold on

[Pikey Dave]

Originally Posted by Festinghouse

mmsi cant be transferred to germany, as the first two digits indicate the country. mmsi stays with boat, not individual. no argument or discussion. its very simple to contact ofcom and transfer details. radio should only be reset if upgraded and sold on

I think you've got wrong end o't stick Festa, the op is in Germany & keeping it there, not transferring.


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[Festinghouse]

sorry, just had this discussion so many times with other people who think they 'own' the mmsi

[Iron Dials]

As I understand it
Having gone through the process in the last 6 months.

MMSI is digital identity of boat
Boat has to be licencesed in order to gain MMSI (ship's radio licence here!)
Boat licence is based on boat owner having VHF licence (short range certificate etc).
This may be different for commercial vessels.

When the boat changes ownership, the validity of the boat's licence is no longer valid, as it's based on the previous owners qualification.
Therefore, new owner, with their own vhf licence, applies for licence for new their boat, if they list DSC radio, MMSI is issued (or new owner's MMSI is re-assigned to their new boat. Opening another can of worms for their old boat's new owners).

I think "the system" is happy to ignore the problems involved in reprogramming, although it is useful in the event of your radio being stolen.

Manufacturers generally reprogramme, sometimes for free, sometimes for set fee.

[willk]

Just a thought - we're not talking about ATIS rather than MMSI, are we?

[John Kennett]

Originally Posted by Iron Dials

As I understand it
Having gone through the process in the last 6 months.

MMSI is digital identity of boat
Boat has to be licencesed in order to gain MMSI (ship's radio licence here!)
Boat licence is based on boat owner having VHF licence (short range certificate etc).

I don't know the situation in Ireland, but in the UK the licensing of the radio equipment is completely separate from operator licensing and you don't need to have an SRC to get an MMSI.

On transfer the MMSI can either be reprogrammed if the kit allows it, or reassigned to the new owner (which generally appears to be easier).

[Pikey Dave]

Originally Posted by Iron Dials

As I understand it
Having gone through the process in the last 6 months.

MMSI is digital identity of boat
Boat has to be licencesed in order to gain MMSI (ship's radio licence here!)
Boat licence is based on boat owner having VHF licence (short range certificate etc).
This may be different for commercial vessels.

When the boat changes ownership, the validity of the boat's licence is no longer valid, as it's based on the previous owners qualification.
Therefore, new owner, with their own vhf licence, applies for licence for new their boat, if they list DSC radio, MMSI is issued (or new owner's MMSI is re-assigned to their new boat. Opening another can of worms for their old boat's new owners).

I think "the system" is happy to ignore the problems involved in reprogramming, although it is useful in the event of your radio being stolen.

Manufacturers generally reprogramme, sometimes for free, sometimes for set fee.

Unless something's changed, there's no pre-requisite for for the owner to hold a vhf ticket before an MMSI is issued. Boat licensing & personal licensing are 2 completely separate areas. An MMSI is issued to the boat irrespective of any owner qualifications.
That's the case in the UK anyway.

Don't panic! don't panic!

[Iron Dials]

In Ireland, one must hold a VHF SRC, before one can apply for "Ship's Radio Licence" (for a 6m rubber boat) in order to get MMSI
One must also pay several fees to achieve this.
Nobody said it was user friendly, although I believe the "qualified competency" for DSC applies in more than one EU state.

[Pikey Dave]

Originally Posted by Iron Dials

In Ireland, one must hold a VHF SRC, before one can apply for "Ship's Radio Licence" (for a 6m rubber boat) in order to get MMSI

One must also pay several fees to achieve this.

Nobody said it was user friendly, although I believe the "qualified competency" for DSC applies in more than one EU state.

UK is different. Ships licence is free, it's done online & is independent of any user qualification. What happens if the boat owner isn't the user? E.g a dive club, sailing club, joint purchase by a group of friends etc.


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[Iron Dials]

Yep, you have a user friendly system
We have an administrators system.

DSC handhelds cause them a lot of "distress" too, they just won't consider them at all.