New boat electronics - Page 2

Pikey Dave · 28 October 2014, 09:01

I'm in a similar situation meself. One of my tasks at the boat show was to visit the main manfs. & see what they had to offer, Raymarine, Garmin, Navico, without exception they all advised against touch screen on an open RIB. They didn't say that it wouldn't work, but they couldn't guarantee that it would, especially with gloves. I know some people have had no problems with touch screen & others that have had. On the Round Ireland race challenge there were a few problems & those conditions were about as extreme as it gets. The Raymarine hybrid touch allows you to swap between touch/ non-touch, but you need to sell a couple of kidneys & your first born to buy a decent setup.
I'm currently leaning towards Lowrance non touch, but I'll see what comes out in the next few months.
I'd echo the thoughts about size though, as big as you can afford/fit, even better, fit a pair

.....sh1t happens.......

Dan Gurney · 28 October 2014, 09:42

Going to get them to price an e7d. Failing that I'll prolly be looking at Lowrance non-touch.

blufin · 28 October 2014, 20:49

Hi Clam, if it's of any help & to give you more choice the most up to date surveys of Lough Derg & Lough Ree were done a couple of years back by some IWAI members & they used the Garmin platform. It's now included in the IRL & UK basemap on Garmin units. Of the three available electronic charts, ie. C map, Navionics & Garmin, the Garmin seems to be the most accurate (not perfect but not bad - missing one or two marks). The lifeboat stationed locally uses a 750.
More info on the survey & the guys that did it is prob available on the IWAI website.
Good luck with the new boat by the way. Where do you normally launch when your over ? I'll keep an eye out for you during the summer, should be an easy spot with a spanky new boat !

HTH Gerry

HUMBER P4VWL · 28 October 2014, 21:33

Ok so we're in the game for new plotter and radio.... Both have died!
:-(

However I'm almost tempted not to bother, more so the gps. We've a handheld radio but a DSC could be worth it.

Old man never uses GPS and based on last 5yrs of playing local or in company i've had jack use of it really. Main worry would be fog but could likely sit it out. Erm

That said, what are the budget options? Got until April anyway.

ShinyShoe · 28 October 2014, 22:03

So either you'd need a DSC with inbuilt GPS or at least a GPS if not plotter to get the significant safety benefit of the red button.

Will you never leave the straights? Have to say I didn't expect a cardinal mark had a plotter...

Chris Caton · 28 October 2014, 22:04

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Originally Posted by HUMBER P4VWL

Ok so we're in the game for new plotter and radio.... Both have died!
:-(

However I'm almost tempted not to bother, more so the gps. We've a handheld radio but a DSC could be worth it.

Old man never uses GPS and based on last 5yrs of playing local or in company i've had jack use of it really. Main worry would be fog but could likely sit it out. Erm

That said, what are the budget options? Got until April anyway.

how are you ever going to find your way over Caernarfon Bar to Bardsey HP

Chris Caton · 28 October 2014, 22:08

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Originally Posted by Clamchowder

Going to get them to price an e7d. Failing that I'll prolly be looking at Lowrance non-touch.

well done on the new rib Dan, nice choice

like a few others have said, go for the biggest screen you can afford, it makes a big difference when you bouncing around on the lumpy stuff, I was advised against the touchscreen option when I bought the garmin 4008, but that was a few years back, guess things may have moved on a touch since then, but I've not regretted the button option

HUMBER P4VWL · 28 October 2014, 22:25

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Originally Posted by Chris Caton

how are you ever going to find your way over Caernarfon Bar to Bardsey HP

Follow buoys out then follow you!!

HUMBER P4VWL · 28 October 2014, 22:26

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Originally Posted by ShinyShoe

So either you'd need a DSC with inbuilt GPS or at least a GPS if not plotter to get the significant safety benefit of the red button.

Will you never leave the straights? Have to say I didn't expect a cardinal mark had a plotter...

Good point!! Maybe both then.

Like to. Time and ££

Dan Gurney · 28 October 2014, 23:38

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Originally Posted by blufin

Hi Clam, if it's of any help & to give you more choice the most up to date surveys of Lough Derg & Lough Ree were done a couple of years back by some IWAI members & they used the Garmin platform. It's now included in the IRL & UK basemap on Garmin units. Of the three available electronic charts, ie. C map, Navionics & Garmin, the Garmin seems to be the most accurate (not perfect but not bad - missing one or two marks). The lifeboat stationed locally uses a 750.
More info on the survey & the guys that did it is prob available on the IWAI website.
Good luck with the new boat by the way. Where do you normally launch when your over ? I'll keep an eye out for you during the summer, should be an easy spot with a spanky new boat !

HTH Gerry

That I did not know. When I was looking for Garmin charts a year or so I heard that you could get charts for Derg but only if you were a member of Irish Waterways or something. Will need to do some more investigating.

We launch at Dromineer and stay out on Yellow Island (north of Illaunmore) for a couple of weeks at in the summer. Think we're looking at May next year though cos we don't need to stick to school hols!

Dan Gurney · 28 October 2014, 23:52

Quote:

Originally Posted by HUMBER P4VWL

Ok so we're in the game for new plotter and radio.... Both have died!
:-(

However I'm almost tempted not to bother, more so the gps. We've a handheld radio but a DSC could be worth it.

Old man never uses GPS and based on last 5yrs of playing local or in company i've had jack use of it really. Main worry would be fog but could likely sit it out. Erm

That said, what are the budget options? Got until April anyway.

Bosh! £200. I'm sure you could shop around, but it shows that if you really truly don't need a plotter you don't have to have one.

If you have a set of paper charts on board, combined with GPS...

Trevor G · 29 October 2014, 00:07

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Originally Posted by Clamchowder

The touchscreen part is the only bit I'm unsure on.

For the Round Ireland 2013 we went for the Simrad NSS7 - you get the best of both as it has touch screen and buttons. We certainly got very wet - both from rain and seawater and never had a problem. (It runs the Navionics cards so should be OK for Ireland)
Trev

HUMBER P4VWL · 29 October 2014, 11:34

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Originally Posted by Clamchowder

Bosh! £200. I'm sure you could shop around, but it shows that if you really truly don't need a plotter you don't have to have one.

If you have a set of paper charts on board, combined with GPS...

It's a valid point. We have the great laminated charts of the area and the old man knows 99% of where he boats in his head. We need GPS for the DSC radio really so olds can push the panic button. I'd then use the GPS map for seeing where the shallow bits are in newer areas around N Wales and finding the way in fog.

We do however have a hole the size of a navman in the console though. So may as well fill it with similar.

willk · 29 October 2014, 12:37

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Originally Posted by Clamchowder

Storm force 6.1 with a DF140.

Nice one! When does she start in Build?

Those 6.1s are superb boats and that's the right engine for her

matt h · 29 October 2014, 14:02

Very Nice Boat and really well built. good choice!!

Dan Gurney · 29 October 2014, 14:23

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Originally Posted by willk

Nice one! When does she start in Build?

Those 6.1s are superb boats and that's the right engine for her

Well Blue Rocks was nice enough, and the new one's are supposed to be lighter. So with less weight and 40% more power she should do ok.

Not sure about the build date: I confirmed that I wanted it on Monday and they acknowledged but they haven't sent any bank details yet so i haven't actually put a deposit down. All the details are settled bar the plotter though which I shouldn't imagine will hold things up.

Pikey Dave · 29 October 2014, 14:27

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Originally Posted by Clamchowder

........Not sure about the build date: I confirmed that I wanted it on Monday .......

Nah! It won't be ready for then, I'm still waiting for a quote

.....sh1t happens.......

Dan Gurney · 29 October 2014, 14:38

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Originally Posted by Pikey Dave

Nah! It won't be ready for then, I'm still waiting for a quote

You looking at a Redbay too?

willk · 29 October 2014, 14:56

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Originally Posted by Clamchowder

You looking at a Redbay too?

A "look" is all he's gonna get...

willk · 29 October 2014, 15:02

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Originally Posted by Clamchowder

Well Blue Rocks was nice enough, and the new one's are supposed to be lighter. So with less weight and 40% more power she should do ok.

Yer - recent boats have featured foam core stringers and Nidaplast deck construction - both replacing heavier plywood.

Dunno how fast your's will be after I've tipped one of the Zerdinski Bros to mix a hundredweight of lead shot in with the chopped matt...