what amp rated cable should i use for spotlights - Page 2

Rogue Wave · 18 January 2006, 21:12

ok

what really irritated me was your personal launch at me.
what really fucks me off with traders is they think they know everything, and 50% of the time they dont

it is interesting the pms you get when someone like you posts a post like that!

i talk to as many experts as i can and then i form my own opinion unless i believe the source is indeed an expert beyond question.
time to do your homework i guess, how many boat builders or boat assemblers use tinned wire? I have checked around, have you? and dont forget some will say they do when actually they dont!

if you had send a pm stating your case in grown up terms then i would have quite happily changed my occupation based on a sensible request.

you made it personal and immature and showed what an asshole you must be in my opinion.

did tony's post upset you then?

i suspect you had been on the sherbert last night based on spelling and grammar so why dont you post a nice post appologising for your personal outburst?

end of PM

Hugh

Firstly I don't give a flyer what people think of me never have never will unless I have respect for them and you don't fall into that categaory.

wanna swap PM's for the people congratulting me on the way I dealt with you!

Is that nicey nicey enough!

Hugh Jardon · 18 January 2006, 21:27

I guess the respect goes both ways and i suspect over time you have built up a resistance to what people think of you which is why you take the stance you do.

all this fuss you have made over advising that i should use tinned wire and if i dont then it is wrong. Sorry but dont agree. If i see a degredation of the wire i will replace it simple as that.

if i find any of the wiring is knackered within a short period of time i will replace it and would be the first to declare it. So you can sit in the sidelines and tell me you told me so at some time in the future, I guess the question will be how long into the future that will be.

my reference to traders is ones that give you duff advice or advice based on wanting to sell you something specific that they have. ie some twerp on a boat show stand telling me an opti 200 on WOT would use 20 odd litres per hour of fuel....i wish. That is why ribnet can be so good cos you get a better level of advice and guidance on the whole.

enough said i think and now back to the job in hand of boatbuilding in the eves

Jono · 18 January 2006, 21:37

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Originally Posted by Hugh Jardon

I guess the respect goes both ways and i suspect over time you have built up a resistance to what people think of you which is why you take the stance you do.

Not quite sure what this means?....... Stu and I have our "ups'n downs" ..on this board and in the "real world"...and we'll never agree on some things.... but I'll tell you..and anyone else who can be bothered to read this garbage.. straight.... I have a huge amount of respect for Stu... there are not many people I have confidence in, but Stu is one of those.... he may be a ham-fisted, destructive fecka' at times... but if the shit hits the fan..... I want him on my boat.... and his keyboard skills are down to the size of those bananas he calls fingers..... he is right though... for the cost difference.. putting fully tinned "marine grade" cable in is worth it's weight in Gold... versus trying to remove and replace a corroded piece of automotive cable... I know.. I've had to replace some cables on a boat less than two years old... and 'cause of the way it's routed.. it's a feckin' nightmare...

P.S... you're right about boat builders not using the right stuff... but that doesn't mean we shouldn't.....

Dirk Diggler · 18 January 2006, 21:48

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Originally Posted by Hugh Jardon

Pre-tinned wire is quite/very expensive,

What a nob, if you think £5.00 for a 30 metre roll of tinned wire is expensive, you need to get out of boating cos you've got a real shock coming!

Hugh Jardon · 18 January 2006, 21:52

well here is the plan for the cable, i will cut into a piece every 6 months to look for corrosion and if i find any i will replace the lot, its not actually that big a deal anyway to replace.

if i find corrosion i will post it straight away and let folks know. but i am tinning the wire for a good 2 inchs on the ends and crimping and soldering the connections as well so i expect it to last a good time longer than just crimping it.

all inline connections are heat shrinked as well

stu is probably a very nice guy as are a lot of folks on here so cant comment on him except what he wrote

time will tell eh?

Hugh Jardon · 18 January 2006, 21:54

if you can tell me where i can get it that cheap i will order some tomorrow, i need twin core 8.75 amp cable and twin core 20amp cable

i was quoted 60 quid plus vat for each 30m of 8 amp stuff

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Originally Posted by Dirk Diggler

What a nob, if you think £5.00 for a 30 metre roll of tinned wire is expensive, you need to get out of boating cos you've got a real shock coming!

Rogue Wave · 18 January 2006, 22:33

That's because your'e an end user and Dirks in the trade

Dirk Diggler · 18 January 2006, 22:55

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Originally Posted by Rogue Wave

That's because your'e an end user and Dirks in the trade

True, but Aquafax at the Hamble will sell to any old chump, even a rib owner!

Rogue Wave · 18 January 2006, 23:19

:d

jwalker · 19 January 2006, 02:59

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Originally Posted by Rogue Wave

[(PM to Hugh).....it is interesting the pms you get when someone like you posts a post like that!]

......wanna swap PM's for the people congratulting me on the way I dealt with you!

Why don't all you PMers stop hiding and contribute constructively to the thread?

Hugh Jardon · 19 January 2006, 08:45

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Originally Posted by jwalker

Why don't all you PMers stop hiding and contribute constructively to the thread?

thanks JW for the message there and I quite agree.

it is a shame that some "traders" or people "in the trade" or "close to the trade" on here find it more fun to slag people off, give them a hard time, call names, give personal abuse, etc etc rather than be constructive and help other non trade people in a real and effective way. I am sure that other reasonable traders do not want to be tarnished with that label. It seems some of them will give out advice and if you dont follow their advise then you are wrong, a nob, etc, etc.
Perhaps if people like Dirk and Rogue Wave actually were more constructive instead of abusive then newbies and other folks might have a bit more respect for the site and these particular traders or individuals.

I would be happy to buy some tinned wire at a reasonable price especially if I could get it at the prices Dirk indicated or similar. Perhaps i could buy if off one of you guys giving you some money in your pocket.

Perhaps i should have posted a thread asking where i can get tinned wire at a cheap price.

I have emailed aquafax asking them for pricing.

Scary Des · 19 January 2006, 09:10

Just to throw another thought into the pot, it is good practice to always run your wires vertically up to the service or component

that way gravity helps to keep water, that has condensed on the wires, out of the Vital bits

Des

Simon B · 19 January 2006, 10:26

Might be worth considering any connections you make, this is where most of the corosion will occur, and they usually just fall apart in a green mess.

Try also some of these;

http://www.farnell.com/datasheets/46471.pdf

ordering info here;

http://uk.farnell.com/jsp/endecaSear...comSearch=true

They're not cheap but neither is doing the job again & again & again, did all the rear electrics on my old landrover, it improved the voltage no end. Liquid tape over that and you'll be constructing an electrical Fort Knox!

Having had to do a number of partial vehicle re-wires I'd spend the money now rather than later.

Hugh Jardon · 19 January 2006, 10:47

can anyone recommend a particular brand of liquid tape they have used that works well in a marine environment? and perhaps a place to buy it?

Jono · 19 January 2006, 11:19

There are places that sell heat shrink... on its own or combined with terminals that are "glue filled" These are spectacularly good at sealing AND strengthening joints. RS components and Vehicle Wiring Spares... from the top of my head.... I'll check and post links...

http://www.vehicle-wiring-products.c...page/home.html
http://rswww.com/cgi-bin/bv/rswww/home.do?cacheID=ukie

Searider · 19 January 2006, 11:35

It all depends on how valuable you think three weekends will be to you in two years time when you have to replace some of your cables.

Or how important it is for your plotter / nav lights / spot lights to keep working on the way back from the Cowes fireworks.

Tinned cable is more expensive but I personally consider it to be worth it - I only want to do a job once!

I have to confess that when I re-wired my Searider I didn't use tinned cable. I didn't have too many problems but was having to re-make cable ends when re-fitting nav lights (they were always getting knocked off in Cowes).
I did use water proof plugs and sockets for all connestions at the rear though (about £16 per connection). The wiring was 4 years old when I sold the boat.

Have mostly re-wired the Scorpion. The wiring in my, early, boat left a lot to be desired. The cables that I have replaced have been replaced with tinned. These were bought from Aladdins Cave Chandlery at Deacons Boatyard in Bursledon - and are sold by the metre - so although expensive per metre you only need to buy what you need so it need not be expensive.

Rogue Wave · 19 January 2006, 13:02

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Originally Posted by Hugh Jardon

I would be happy to buy some tinned wire at a reasonable price especially if I could get it at the prices Dirk indicated or similar. Perhaps i could buy if off one of you guys giving you some money in your pocket.

I have emailed aquafax asking them for pricing.

Whenever I am skint Dirk pays me to polish his Ferrari!

I believe I have mentioned Aquafax a few times on this forum, and if memory serves to you or cetainly on a thread involving you

Hugh Jardon · 19 January 2006, 13:14

well if i could buy tinned cable for 5 quid for 30m i could afford a farrari!!

as mentioned below i have already emailed aquafax and will see what they come back with.

if times get hard you can come round and polish my lada and i'll pay you as well.

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Originally Posted by Rogue Wave

Whenever I am skint Dirk pays me to polish his Ferrari!

I believe I have mentioned Aquafax a few times on this forum, and if memory serves to you or cetainly on a thread involving you

Rogue Wave · 19 January 2006, 18:13

The North Sea looks after me kwite well. thanks.

Mark Halliday · 20 January 2006, 09:19

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Originally Posted by Hugh Jardon

can anyone recommend a particular brand of liquid tape they have used that works well in a marine environment? and perhaps a place to buy it?

Star brite Liquid Electrical Tape.
I got mine at Marine Superstore, Puerto Solenta. Around £6.99 a tin. Stock No. 07844
Down the end of the 'lectrical bits in a yellowish tin wiv red ritin'.