School a newbie on outboard maintenance - Page 3

captnjack · 07 October 2013, 17:29

I read everything West Marine and the reviews had to say about that tank. And all the special fittings etc... what a nightmare. I think you need to try someone else's tank with "normal" fittings. I'm suspecting that something between the tank and the engine is completely blocking fuel flow.

E10 if reasonably fresh (within ~4 months) works fine. Its a major chore finding neat gas (no ethanol) in an urban area.

SIBRider · 07 October 2013, 17:42

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Originally Posted by F470

It was definitely the WM connector. I removed the fuel connector mounted to the Suzuki and plugged it into the WM one on the hose. If both connectors are successfully connecting (but not connected to the fuel line on the motor end) fuel would squirt out the end of the connector, right? Well it didn't. I ordered the Suzuki fuel connector that is the correct one according to the parts manual. Will test when it arrives end of the week.

For safety fittings/connectors are usually designed to not let fuel flow unless fuel line is connected at all points i.e leak out when disconnected or squirt if pumped. Same goes for tank and engine side.

F470 · 07 October 2013, 17:50

The tank and WM fuel line kit worked flawlessly with the old Johnson I recently sold. I drove it for a week in the San Juans with no issues. When I bought the new Suzuki the seller had his tank and line kit on it and it started right up on first try, no issues. Then I go to WM to pick up the new fuel fitting to make it work with the Suzuki and I can't get it started from that point on. I am 100% convinced that it was the WM connector blocking the fuel.

F470 · 07 October 2013, 17:51

How does that work?

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Originally Posted by SIBRider

For safety fittings/connectors are usually designed to not let fuel flow unless fuel line is connected at all points i.e leak out when disconnected or squirt if pumped. Same goes for tank and engine side.

SIBRider · 07 October 2013, 18:00

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Originally Posted by F470

How does that work?

Combination of spring loaded ball/helical valves that get disengaged once appropriate pins push them out when connected. Too much room for accidents/leaks otherwise. Usually it to the tune of like on Suzuki - male connector has a visible ball and femail has pin and a ball. Once you push connector together O-ring seals between male and female. Pin on female side pushes ball on male side and also another ball deeper in female connector. Both open for fuel flow. When disconnected both balls just snap into place closing flow.

F470 · 07 October 2013, 18:06

Yep I already understood all of that. Sounded like you meant that when a hose is removed on either side while being connected flow would stop.

What I am talking about is removing the fuel hose on the motor side and pumping while connectors are connected. So as long as they are connected fuel should squirt out the end of the connector where the hose was just removed right? If priming with a ball? Not sure how I can be any more clear as it does not appear anyone understands what I am talking about. When connectors are connected the valves inside are open for flow, correct? That should make it pretty damn easy to determine if the connectors aren't allow fuel to flow through, right?

SIBRider · 07 October 2013, 18:11

So you have no connector on engine side, just bare hose end? Then sure it should pump.

F470 · 07 October 2013, 18:18

By testing I removed the fuel hose and I dismounted the connector that was mounted to the Suzuki and plugged it into the WM connector attached to the hose/pump/tank. I pumped expecting fuel to come out since both connectors are now attached but not a drop is allowed through despite connectors being properly 'clicked' together.

SIBRider · 07 October 2013, 18:26

ok that part I missed.

The way connectors are designed they can not block fuel flow if you are able to engage them fully purely for mechanical reasons. I would be really hard manufacture them to block flow. They surely could leak. Maybe they didn't click?

F470 · 07 October 2013, 18:31

Yep. Clicked in place. Moot point now as I returned the WM connector and already ordered the correct Suzuki part.This is the one I got. This is the one I replaced it with.

F470 · 11 October 2013, 18:17

New connector arrived and it does indeed allow fuel through unlike the WM connector.

SIBRider · 11 October 2013, 18:21

Awesome but weird at the same time

F470 · 11 October 2013, 18:24

Using the part# from the catalogue led me to the right connector. Suzuki has changed connector designs 3 times since the 80's so that could be it.

F470 · 13 October 2013, 15:47

Success! Took it out yesterday! Some images and videos on Instagram. http://instagram.com/adventuredefender

jyasaki · 14 October 2013, 06:44

I take it you made it back, too?

jky

SIBRider · 14 October 2013, 16:03

Awesome. Nice Rover.

F470 · 14 October 2013, 19:57

I would like to get a hydrofoil. Any brands you recommend? Is Stingray any good? I have 6 existing holes in my cavity plate from a Happy Troller and some other stuff that was removed. Any chance there's a standard hole dimension so I don't have to drill 4 additional holes?

F470 · 14 October 2013, 19:57

Thanks! My pride and joy.

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Awesome. Nice Rover.

jyasaki · 14 October 2013, 20:55

AFAIK, no standard for bolt patterns.

I'd look at the Permatrim line if I had to replace mine (might anyway if I ever get some disposable income.)

They're distributed in the US by Shipyard Island Marina, I think.

jky

F470 · 14 October 2013, 22:14

I like it.