Electric handbrakes said it would happen!!! - Page 2

codprawn · 17 August 2009, 22:29

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Originally Posted by boomer

What electric handbrake, it was a standard one

Listen to what she said in the interview!!!

Leapy · 18 August 2009, 05:18

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Originally Posted by codprawn

Listen to what she said in the interview!!!

Personally, I don't think she has a clue what she did...the story is reported elsewhere and it's different every time. In the BBC link she pressed the ECP button. What the hell is that? Closest I can think of is ESP - electronic stability control - and that has naff all to do with handbrakes.

The only thing she knows as fact is that she had a lucky escape. The rest, is conjecture.

Poly · 18 August 2009, 08:14

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Originally Posted by Leapy

The only thing she knows as fact is that she had a lucky escape. The rest, is conjecture.

aye - 'cos if it was my dads car she would have been safer staying inside it!

Leapy · 18 August 2009, 08:22

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Originally Posted by Polwart

aye - 'cos if it was my dads car she would have been safer staying inside it!

Chris · 18 August 2009, 20:42

With every car I have driven that has an electronic handbrake you cannot release the handbrake by pushing a button, it releases automatically when you pull away.

codprawn · 18 August 2009, 21:10

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Originally Posted by Chris

With every car I have driven that has an electronic handbrake you cannot release the handbrake by pushing a button, it releases automatically when you pull away.

The button will also allow it to release if you put your foot on the brake as well. Of course that is assuming that everything is working correctly............

Leapy · 18 August 2009, 21:11

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Originally Posted by Chris

With every car I have driven that has an electronic handbrake you cannot release the handbrake by pushing a button, it releases automatically when you pull away.

On the Disco, RR's and Jaguars, for instance, to release the handbrake the key has to be in the ignition, the engine has to be running, your foot has to be on the footbrake and then you hit a switch, or, as Chris says, with the engine running and in gear you just hit the throttle and it releases automatically.

I'm not aware any other manufacturer does it significantly differently

codprawn · 18 August 2009, 21:16

What is the biggest cause of breakdown on a car? Ask the AA or the RAC - they will soon tell you..............

Electrics!!!

As Clarkson would say - nothing beats a big lever that goes thunk and moves!!!

Leapy · 18 August 2009, 21:19

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Originally Posted by codprawn

Of course that is assuming that everything is working correctly............

Yep. Identify the vehicle in question and Google it with respect to your original header

Poly · 18 August 2009, 21:31

Its a Citroen C4 Picasso. May also have a flappy paddle gear box depending on model!

Bigmuz7 · 18 August 2009, 21:42

Those frog machines are too clever for their own good

codprawn · 18 August 2009, 22:10

Well I hate to slag off Land rovers but I took a Discovery 3 for a test drive. Before the test I said to the sales man - "Those electric handbrakes are nothing but trouble".

"They are fine he replied".

When I started the engine there was a horrible grinding whirring noise - yup it was the elctric handbrake - look on the bloke's face was priceless!!!

IBWET · 18 August 2009, 22:20

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Originally Posted by Chris

With every car I have driven that has an electronic handbrake you cannot release the handbrake by pushing a button, it releases automatically when you pull away.

Manual Jaguar's,(auto's release as you suggest) you have to release the handbrake by pushing a button.

I also hate EB's.They can grind to a halt if the car's not used,then instead of getting under it with WD40 it's to a dealer who told me the last time,it's a "new motor....... £500 sir".

9D280 · 19 August 2009, 12:05

What amazes me here is that nobody has thought that the box of electronics and the 4 wheel sensors that keep your ABS working might be tested to the same level as the E-Handbrake? Anyone tried E- stopping an ABS vehicle with the ABS knackered? Hmmmm What if I'm driving along the motorway & suddenly my brakes come on 'coz the ABS electrics have a canary fit?

Then we could divert to the "those arbags are dangerous - they go off randomly"

discussion. Yep, many moons ago one airbag in about 1,000,000 cars did, so how many of you won't buy a new car '"coz it's got an airbag that might go off randomly".......

And how many of you are actually driving "fly by wire" on your throttle? Or E- power steering?...........

That electrickery is terrible stuff......

codprawn · 19 August 2009, 13:46

Yes it is - you will find that abs etc stil uses hydraulics so when the ABS function packs up you aren't even aware of it - many people will remove the bulb when they sell a car with knackered ABS!!!

Personally I do NOT like airbags. They still aren't fitted to Defenders because of the hammering they get - they can go off when you are bumping around a lot.

How many rally cars do you see with them? Give me a harness and a rollcage any day.

And as for fly by wire throttles they can be a right pain. My mate's haulage company is always replacing them. Drivers tend to stamp on the pedal and the sensor breaks - then he is stranded and they have to buy a new one for £280!!!

boomer · 19 August 2009, 14:36

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Originally Posted by codprawn

Listen to what she said in the interview!!!

I tend to read the reports rather than listen to the videos because I cant hear 100%

The written one as i quoted implied a standard handbrake, it appears that other reports have mentioned different things so goodness knows what they are talking about any more

codprawn · 19 August 2009, 14:43

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Originally Posted by boomer

I tend to read the reports rather than listen to the videos because I cant hear 100%

The written one as i quoted implied a standard handbrake, it appears that other reports have mentioned different things so goodness knows what they are talking about any more

You know what journalists are like - far more sense out of an 11yr old girl.........

9D280 · 21 August 2009, 09:32

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Originally Posted by codprawn

stil uses hydraulics so when the ABS function packs up you aren't even aware of it

...until you pile the car into whatever is in front.

If you have a top of the range car you will also loose your stability control, so will probably end up smacking it side on as well, coz you're so used to the car taking care of the physics...

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Originally Posted by codprawn

Personally I do NOT like airbags. <snip> How many rally cars do you see with them? Give me a harness and a rollcage any day.

Errr could that be to do with reducing the the weight of a rally car, the fact that a rally car is highly likely to deploy them (a conventional car is only ever going to set them off once), and of course for everyday life climbing in past a roll cage into a bucket seat & fitting a 4 -point harness and a helmet as well seeing as you now have extra bits of metal tube to smack your brain off is going to really be appealing to the mass market! You'll be comparing the BTCC cars to a standard road car next!

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Originally Posted by codprawn

And as for fly by wire throttles they can be a right pain. My mate's haulage company is always replacing them. Drivers tend to stamp on the pedal and the sensor breaks - then he is stranded and they have to buy a new one for £280!!!

I would suggest that's more down to DAF/ Volvo / MAN / Iveco / whoever's truks your mate uses designing their pedal box down to a buget rather than making it "toe tector proof" TDCI transits have been fly by wire for about 7 years....... Come to think of it all common rail diesels are..... Also Slightl ironic when stamping on the pedal of a 40 tonne truck will make next to naff all difference to the 0-56 time......

mdt · 21 August 2009, 12:09

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Originally Posted by Polwart

Its a Citroen C4 Picasso. May also have a flappy paddle gear box depending on model!

Why would you ever want a Picasso... the most un-sporting car ever to be built no dout with a oil buring lump to power it with a flappy paddle gear box? Why?

Poly · 21 August 2009, 14:35

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Originally Posted by mdt

Why would you ever want a Picasso... the most un-sporting car ever to be built no dout with a oil buring lump to power it with a flappy paddle gear box? Why?

Not me...
I believe the "marketting bull" for the flappy paddle - is that it leaves the centre console "uncluttered".