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18 January 2013, 20:13
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snow chains
For A 2wd Passat. We live at the top of a hilly area so I need something that will get me the couple miles down to the nearest main road.
I dont want to spend loads as they will get used rarely. Any recommendations..?
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18 January 2013, 20:18
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Others will know better...but only use on snow & make sure they are the correct size that's what I have been told.
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18 January 2013, 20:38
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Get the low profile tyres off the car and fit winter tyres
They don't look as good but you will be able to get about in all but the worst weather
Chains wreck alloys and tyres, they are a nightmare to fit and if its snowing you will get soaked!
Just get a set of winter tyres and steel wheels and get them fitted in November and removed in April
Oh one other tip learn to drive on the snow it's not that hard just use highest gear possible light throttle and only use brakes gently
Don't rely on the electronics they won't stop you any better in the ice or snow
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18 January 2013, 20:39
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Lidil had them for £20.00 just before Christmas, all sizes.
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18 January 2013, 20:56
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris
For A 2wd Passat. We live at the top of a hilly area so I need something that will get me the couple miles down to the nearest main road.
I dont want to spend loads as they will get used rarely. Any recommendations..?
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Get yourself some snow socks for the car.
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18 January 2013, 21:04
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be careful as some insurance companies are a bit funny about chains.
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18 January 2013, 21:59
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I bought tin of this last year - but no tested since living in Scotland we don't get much snow !
http://www.wintertyregrip.co.uk/
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18 January 2013, 22:11
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Quote:
Originally Posted by AMac
Get the low profile tyres off the car and fit winter tyres
Oh one other tip learn to drive on the snow it's not that hard just use highest gear possible light throttle and only use brakes gently
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Like this you mean
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18 January 2013, 22:47
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Quote:
Originally Posted by AMac
Get the low profile tyres off the car and fit winter tyres
They don't look as good but you will be able to get about in all but the worst weather
Chains wreck alloys and tyres, they are a nightmare to fit and if its snowing you will get soaked!
Just get a set of winter tyres and steel wheels and get them fitted in November and removed in April
Oh one other tip learn to drive on the snow it's not that hard just use highest gear possible light throttle and only use brakes gently
Don't rely on the electronics they won't stop you any better in the ice or snow
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Chains are a P.O.P. to fit and if you have the correct size and done the fit properly will not touch your alloys.
If you need to get down hill fit them on your fronts, obviously getting back up you need them on the rears, ideally all four.
Once you get the hang of it should only take a minute per wheel once you've rolled onto them.
They're cheaper than a NCB or somebody's side of car.
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18 January 2013, 22:57
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Erm... he has a 2WD Passat - the chains need to be on the drive wheels for uphill (which is the front on a 2WD Passat I believe) and the breaking wheels on decent (wich will also be the front)
Modern chains don't need to be driven onto, you apply them around the tyre.
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18 January 2013, 23:04
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Absolutely correct. FWD Passat. Keep them on the front. You get my drift (no pun intended) though. Still think it's best to roll over them even if you don't need to. But agree that you don't strictly need to nowadays.
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19 January 2013, 00:25
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£20/set in LIDL at the moment. Haven't seen them, so may be rubbish.
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19 January 2013, 13:17
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Modern fiction tyres has very good grip, and they are often even less noisy than normal "summer " tyres so they are a good option as they are comfortable to drive also in good dry conditions.
If You choose chains, would strongly suggest to attach them on all 4 wheels, never mind having a front, rear or 4W drive....You really don't want to be in a situation where you have grip on on axle but not on another.
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19 January 2013, 13:35
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If the Passat has standard fit Continentals, they are actually better winter tyres than most cheap winter tyres so I was told by a tyre company who told me not to bother buying winter tyres for our Passat as they were no better than what we already had. Its not as if they were trying to flog us expensive winter tyres as they had no expensive ones in stock until the following season.
We live on a very steep hill, 100-200m to our house. I once considered chains/sock for the couple days a year where road was snow covered, but decided that having to take them off at the bottom was more a problem than not being able to use car for half a day before we cleared the road. Only once has car failed to make it up the road which was yesterday, couple of hours after parents had compacted snow into ice at bottom making it impossible to get enough speed up to get up the hill.
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19 January 2013, 14:11
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If you are going the chain route, make sure you buy ones that have a diamond pattern to them once fitted, rsther than the old ladder type. The ladders offer very little lateral grip and will shake the car to pieces.
The term "Snow chains" is a little misleading in my opinion,what they actually do is give you some grip on the ice under the snow, similar to Crampons.
I sell Pewag chains that are one of the best quality makes around, The quick fit type come in pairs and usually cost iro £100, depending on size. You need to check your handbook to see if they can be fitted on your car, some vehicles don't have sufficient clearance around the back of the wheels around the suspension and brake pipes etc. personally I prefer all 4 wheels to be chained for lateral grip on corners and where the surface has a runoff.
Decent skinny tyres with an open grip do well on fresh snow . I run BF Goodrich All terrains on my own vehicles and they are exceptional in snow.
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19 January 2013, 14:48
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Quote:
Originally Posted by AMac
Get the low profile tyres off the car and fit winter tyres
Just get a set of winter tyres and steel wheels and get them fitted in November and removed in April
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mmm... the OP is based in Gloucestershire, I am guessing that in a typical year there are less that 4 days a year when there is any snow lying on the roads in question... and realistically probably only one or two where it is "impassible" in a car with a little care and skill on standard tyres.
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for the OP's use snow socks would be a good choice.
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Originally Posted by TomKat
be careful as some insurance companies are a bit funny about chains.
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Really? which ones? or is it just internet rumour? I've heard it suggested that some insurers might consider winter tyres on steel wheels a "modification" although I've never heard an insurer actually say that or heard of any claim being rejected.
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Originally Posted by SPR
I bought tin of this last year - but no tested since living in Scotland we don't get much snow !
Winter Tyre Grip
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I thought these were only for short distances (hundred meters not 2 miles?) although I don't see any mention of that on their site so I may be wrong.
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Originally Posted by mister p
Absolutely correct. FWD Passat. Keep them on the front. You get my drift (no pun intended) though. Still think it's best to roll over them even if you don't need to. But agree that you don't strictly need to nowadays.
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No we don't get your drift, cos you were talking nonsense. I've also tested "driving into" my modern chains - and its a recipe for a tangled mess... much easier to follow the fitting instructions provided.
Personally I have had snow chains for a few years, they are a PITA because you can only use them on snow covered roads not tarmac. Usually its less than a mile you need to cover on untreated roads, which means you need to stop on the main road to take them off when you get there - or you stop just before and get stuck 5 yds from the tarmac; in "real snow" (i.e. when its bad enough to NEED them) the lay-bys are all inaccessible so nowhere safe to remove / fit. To be frank other than getting a few hundred yards onto well treated roads they are pretty pointless in most of the UK as when the weather is like that there are numpties everywhere either stuck or likely to skid into you. Even if you can get through there is likely to be someone else in your way. The only time I think they are useful here is getting the "last mile" if you are in an area at the bottom of the list for ploughing/gritting. Even then my preference would be to leave the car as close as possible to the primary routes and walk the last bit...
I think every time I've used them (last 3 yrs) then these http://www.amazon.co.uk/Traction-Tra.../dp/B0049A7MMG would have got me out. As usually the issue has been getting moving from a standing start.
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19 January 2013, 14:50
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+1 for the BFG A/T'S, shame they don't do a car size version, or do they? my F in law used to swear by a few sand bags in the boot on rear wd cars, deflate tyres a bit and take yer time, although umph! is necessary on aprouching some hills i find.
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19 January 2013, 18:42
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this is what you need
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19 January 2013, 18:47
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this is what you need
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Bastardised Fiat, er, 127?
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19 January 2013, 18:58
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Looks like a 126 to me. Very cool.
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