Tyres

Nasher · 15 November 2008, 18:00

All

I've always used Bridgestone Duelers on my Shoguns, and they've always done exactly what I've wanted of them with my mix of driving, which is why I've always gone back to them. I've got 265/70/R16 S rated 689s.
They perform well on the road, but also well enough on wet grass, sand and gravel.

As with everyone I'm looking to save a few pounds when they need changing, and I've noticed the General Grabber AW's which are considerably cheaper but do get some good write-ups. The ATs would I think be too noisy for the miles I do on the road.

I can currently get the Duelers for @£95 a corner, but the AWs would be more like £75 a corner.

Has anyone ever used them?
And had any experiance to compare them to the Duelers?

And I might regret this:-
What other 4x4 tyres for mainly road use do people recommend that also perform OK on Sand, gravel and wet grass?

Nasher

Nos4r2 · 15 November 2008, 18:08

Runway Enduro AT -around £60 a corner. I paid £126 for 2 31x10.5R15 , inc fitting and balancing a few weeks back.

http://www.mailorder4x4.com/acatalog...Y_ENDURO_.html

codprawn · 15 November 2008, 18:12

Yup what a can of worms to open......

It is impossible to get good tyres offroad that will also perform well on road. Becuase of my rather spirited driving style any sort of agressive tread pattern causes problems. I have found that the tyre blocks castle or feather - alternate wear on the blocks.

The faster the 4x4 the more of a problem it is. You can't have your cake and eat it.

Traction control is a major help - normal tyres are almost as good offroad as all terrains without.

I quite like BFG but I have found Avon Mud/Snow the best on my Disco - they are great onroad and not too bad off it.

The best thing of all would be a set of snow chains and normal road tyres. Use the snow chains in mud and they are awesome!!!

Remember on sand the less tread the better so normal road tyres are fine.

Mollers · 15 November 2008, 18:19

The other standard fitment on the later Shotguns is the Yoko Geolander. I've actually bought part worns off of Ebay for the L200. You need to be diligent as to what you buy. Don't entertain anything with less than 5mm tread. Try to buy tyres for sale where the owner has 'Chaved' his ride etc. I bought a superb set of 4 Duellers for £37, but had to arrange collection and a full set of Michy Daimaris for the X5 for £450 which was half price. They'd covered 15m and still had the taggy bits on the shoulders.

bogib · 15 November 2008, 18:36

A work colleage is selling his spare set of tires, actually from his Patrol

Been used 600 km

Til sölu

4 stk ÓSLITIN Kumho Ventura Nagladekk 30 tommu fyrir 15 tommu felgur, negld ekin ca 600 km (sjá spekkur hér að neðan) price for the set GBP 179

Bogi

Tire Size
Service Description
Load
Range
S.W.
Type
Overall Dia
(inch)
Section Width on
Meas. Rim(inch)
Tread
Depth (1/32")
U.T.Q.G.
Tire Weight

30x9.50R15LT*
104Q
C
OWL
29.5
9.4 on 7.5
18
-
36.4p

Verð aðeins 36 þúsund

ian parkes · 15 November 2008, 22:37

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Originally Posted by codprawn

Yup what a can of worms to open......

It is impossible to get good tyres offroad that will also perform well on road. Becuase of my rather spirited driving style any sort of agressive tread pattern causes problems. I have found that the tyre blocks castle or feather - alternate wear on the blocks.

The faster the 4x4 the more of a problem it is. You can't have your cake and eat it.

Traction control is a major help - normal tyres are almost as good offroad as all terrains without.

I quite like BFG but I have found Avon Mud/Snow the best on my Disco - they are great onroad and not too bad off it.

The best thing of all would be a set of snow chains and normal road tyres. Use the snow chains in mud and they are awesome!!!

Remember on sand the less tread the better so normal road tyres are fine.

Spirited driving in a disco

, do you have lots of good downhill corners .

codprawn · 16 November 2008, 17:22

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Originally Posted by ian parkes

Spirited driving in a disco

, do you have lots of good downhill corners .

It's the roundabouts that do it. As I pay my road tax I use as much of the road as is possible - my middle name is "racing line".

When I was doing 2,000 miles a week in hire cas I was getting through front tyres on Vectras every 3000 miles - Avis used an AA mobile tyre fitter - we were on first name terms!!!

Dirk Diggler · 16 November 2008, 18:12

Sounds more like you could do with a few driving lessons!

codprawn · 16 November 2008, 18:34

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Originally Posted by Dirk Diggler

Sounds more like you could do with a few driving lessons!

It's the traffic calming that's to blame - it seems to have the reverse effect on me.............

Lostboy · 17 November 2008, 10:56

General Grabber AT2

Worked on all the Cayenne and Touareg test fleet that were cained around Brands Hatch and then ripped up the Bovington ranges (including the bit on Top Gear). HR rated so a Shogun won't test their upper limit and good off road. Weren't noisy at all, got very warm after the sort of spirited driving that an LR driver can only dream about but still gripped very well without resorting to electronic trickery.

doggypaddle · 17 November 2008, 12:13

I will second that, i have general grabbers on my landrover and they seem to be a very good tyre,(235x16) however my first choice for mainly road use would be the BFG AT.
RE spirited driving, True i cant dream of spirited driving in the landy but, its more than a match for a cayenne off road and would at least keep all its bodypanels intact! and it may look as if its been designed by a 2 year old but it is also a lot easier on they eye than the cayenne

no doubt will out last a cayenne too and most importantly of all, its EL CHEAPO

codprawn · 18 November 2008, 03:06

Yup my mates cayenne is back in the garage AGAIN - for 3 weeks this time. They have lent him a 911 until his gets better - can't wait...........

Downhilldai · 18 November 2008, 13:06

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Originally Posted by codprawn

It's the roundabouts that do it. ...

Quote:

Originally Posted by codprawn

It's the traffic calming that's to blame.........

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Originally Posted by codprawn

...When I was doing 2,000 miles a week in hire cas ...

2000 miles/week, so around 300-400 miles/work day. With traffic calming in 30mph zones, you must have spent over 10 hours/day just driving.

codprawn · 18 November 2008, 22:07

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Originally Posted by Downhilldai

2000 miles/week, so around 300-400 miles/work day. With traffic calming in 30mph zones, you must have spent over 10 hours/day just driving.

Not doing that sort of mileage any more - some weeks it was 3000 miles!!!

And yes I was spending 8 - 10 hrs driving - it was great - my favourite run was to Banbury - great roads up through mid wales. Good contract AND 50p per mile!!!

doggypaddle · 19 November 2008, 13:56

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Originally Posted by codprawn

yes I was spending 8 - 10 hrs driving - it was great - my favourite run was to Banbury - great roads up through mid wales. Good contract AND 50p per mile!!!

And all spent on front tyres

I had a 2.2 vectra that was good at eating tyres too, front N/S first from boying it into roundabouts at 50 mph and wazzing the lock on quickly while on the ABS

its great fun getting oversteer in a FWD

they would usuallu do 8,000 miles though cos the wife used it a lot.

codprawn · 19 November 2008, 17:43

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Originally Posted by doggypaddle

And all spent on front tyres

I had a 2.2 vectra that was good at eating tyres too, front N/S first from boying it into roundabouts at 50 mph and wazzing the lock on quickly while on the ABS

its great fun getting oversteer in a FWD

they would usuallu do 8,000 miles though cos the wife used it a lot.

Nah they were HIRE cars!!!

Mind you 4 of them banned me cos of the mileage - they really don't like giving you a brand new car and having to take it off fleet 4 - 5 weeks later........

doggypaddle · 19 November 2008, 18:13

[quote=codprawn;272023] Nah they were HIRE cars!!![quote]

ahhhh....the best of roaders, any hire car.

Nasher · 23 November 2008, 18:53

Anybody any experiance of Yokohama super diggers?

Noisy on road?

Grip in wet?

etc.

Nasher.

doggypaddle · 24 November 2008, 16:36

my mate had some 31 1050 15 superdiggers on a landrover once, i recall they were good in deep mud and noisy on the road. they were far better on the road than the tyres they replaced, but as they were xplys its not really a good comparison.
BFG ....AT you cant go wrong, they will do lots of miles!

Nasher · 24 November 2008, 20:43

Thanks mate, I missed a complete set of hardly used BFG ATs on ebay yesterday for £250.

I'm going to keep looking and see what bargins I can get on another set of Bridgestone dueler 689s, BFG ATs or Grabber ATs.

I am loathe to change from the Duelers as I like the way the Shogun handles on the road with them, and they are not bad on the sort of other surfaces I travel on sometimes including slippery slipways, beaches etc.
But as I'm changing all 4 this time, I need to leave my options open to get a bargain.

The Grabber AWs are all over the place at the moment, in my size, at very good prices, has nobody on here used them?

Think I'll have to try and remember my password for difflock.com.

Nasher.