3000kg single axle trailer advice needed

wonky · 23 April 2015, 07:43

Hi,
The boatyard that we use has passed a new rule to only allow single axle trailers as twin axle trailers damage the launch tractor.

That's fine, but the weight limit in the yard is 2500 kg and the max length is 9m.
That leaves me and about 10 other people with an issue. I have a Cobra 7.5m rib, weighing 1650kg unloaded and a Verado 300, weighing 288kg. There's also the weight of the trailer, which is about 500kg. So the total weight is just shy of 2500 kg.

What's the best trailer solution to meet the above requirements?

It seems that 'normal' axles go up to 1800 kg.

Need a solution ASAP.

Thanks.

biffer · 23 April 2015, 07:50

Go to another yard if you can

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biffer · 23 April 2015, 08:23

I'm not sure but someone will be along soon to put me right if I'm wrong but I think a single axle rig with that weight would not be legal on the road

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beamishken · 23 April 2015, 08:29

I think the only option would be a dedicated yard trailer for use in the yard but if you want to go anywhere then you would need another road legal trailer
You can get non suspension axles for yard use & a basic trailer would be quite cheap to fabricate as it wouldn't need to comply with road regs
Whilst it is an expense it saves dunking your good trailer regularly & damaging bearings & brakes

wonky · 23 April 2015, 08:38

Yes, not a bad idea. Just means I have a 25ft trailer to hide somewhere, plus the cost of the launch trailer of course.

It would be great to find a road legal 3000kg braked road legal axle

Pikey Dave · 23 April 2015, 09:04

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Originally Posted by wonky

It would be great to find a road legal 3000kg braked road legal axle

As already said, I doubt such a beast exists, your best bet would be to speak to the manufacturers e.g. SBS

Just out of curiosity how are twin axle trailers damaging the tractor? I could understand if they were damaging the road surface especially if there's a tight bend to go around, but not the tractor. Sounds like BS to me. They need a new tractor, problem solved

SteveHall · 23 April 2015, 10:56

I want a twin axle trailer - so if anyone needs a single axle that's from my 6.5m we may be able to do a deal

wonky · 23 April 2015, 12:14

Hi Dave,

Not sure how it's managing the trackot, I think they mentioned 'lateral forces'.

Stev, would love to, but the axle won't be able to take the extra weight

Will call SBS.

Phil M · 23 April 2015, 12:23

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Originally Posted by wonky

Hi Dave,

Not sure how it's managing the trackot, I think they mentioned 'lateral forces'.

Stev, would love to, but the axle won't be able to take the extra weight

Will call SBS.

Sounds like a dodgy claim to me. The lateral forces from a twin axle trailer will be nothing on the back of a reasonable sized tractor compared with a large sprayer or any decent bit of farm kit. Tractor hitches are built to take some pretty major forces. If it were that damaging, you wouldn't pull the trailer on a normal car hitch.

Do you know what damage has been caused?

Phil M

wonky · 23 April 2015, 12:53

Yes, when you put it like that it does seem pretty odd! I'm not sure whether it's been damaged yet or they are worried about it being damaged

Have asked Andy at SBS to price up a yard trailer. Fingers crossed!

biffer · 23 April 2015, 14:49

I think it's bollox on the yards part, I run a tractor that's 1964, you can't bugger a tractor with a trailer, that's what they were designed for

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Rokraider · 23 April 2015, 14:51

I suspect that the problem is turning the the trailer tightly in a confined space with twin axles. The tyres will scrub badly, probably destroying the surface and generally making it hard work for the tractor. I have removed one axle from my 3500 KG trailer that has the Pacific on it that probably weighs in around 2500 Kgs +. The problem I was having was turning the trailer in a tight spot with the Bobcat was a problem. With a twin axle, the normal practice is to lift the towbar, getting the front tyres off the ground when swinging in a tight space, so you end up with weight on a single axle anyway.
I am building a heavy duty single axle launching trolley for the Pacific, as the new bearings I have just fitted on the current trailer will not last long with that weight on them.

biffer · 23 April 2015, 17:44

I wonder, as it's only in the yard, take one set of wheels off, if it copes, job done

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mick · 23 April 2015, 18:02

Sounds like bolicks to me what they using an old mower tractor if the twin set up is scrubbing the yard just lift the nose up on the 🚜 hydrolics
I lift mine up on jockey wheel to turn it rnd a 90 degree corner simple

paintman · 23 April 2015, 20:23

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Originally Posted by wonky

Yes, not a bad idea. Just means I have a 25ft trailer to hide somewhere, plus the cost of the launch trailer of course.

It would be great to find a road legal 3000kg braked road legal axle

Solid Beam Braked Axle: 3000kg - 5 x 6½" pcd be best to give them a call & discuss.

Personally I'd favour just taking two of the wheels off - my trailer is twin axle & as others have said to move it around manually I just wind the jockey wheel to lift the front pair off the ground.

HDAV · 23 April 2015, 21:31

Tractor trailers can do this easy! https://www.fleming-agri.co.uk/produ...pping-trailers 4 and 6 ton tipping trailers on a single axel.

But take 2 wheels off the double should work (may want to uprate the tyres or have a set of "yard wheels"....... wont solve the length issue

BogMonster · 26 April 2015, 02:17

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Originally Posted by biffer

I think it's bollox on the yards part, I run a tractor that's 1964, you can't bugger a tractor with a trailer, that's what they were designed for

My thoughts too. Most big 4x4s will cope with 3500kg twin axle trailer, in fact I <ahem> may have had my big Ifor Williams tipper nearer to 5 tons by accident ... it did drag a bit on corners. So unless it's only a toy tractor or a ride-on lawnmower, I can't see any proper tractor having a problem.

If it is just a yard trailer it is also worth bearing in mind that an axle rating has a fair bit of slack in it, after all if you run it at the rated weight and hit a pothole on the road at speed, you wouldn't expect the wheels to fall off.

jyasaki · 27 April 2015, 17:27

It should be doable; don't know about road legality in the UK part though.

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I seem to recall seeing 10K# axles, but didn't come across them in a quick search. Check farm equipment and/or caravan parts suppliers - they seem to use a lot of heavy duty trailer parts.

If it doesn't have to be road legal, couldn't you take a large I-beam and have someone weld a couple of spindles to it?

jky

ring20johnson · 27 April 2015, 22:01

Sounds like rmyc to me!!!

Chris · 28 April 2015, 09:07

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Originally Posted by biffer

I wonder, as it's only in the yard, take one set of wheels off, if it copes, job done

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Great minds etc... I was thinking add a third drop down axle that can be "deployed" when in the yard effectively turning the trailer into a yard trailer.

Bedajim I guess its over to you