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01 February 2008, 17:30
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CAN trailers
Oh no not again!!!
I am looking at a trailer on the weekend which is made by CAN - I know there have been loads of problems with the bloke who used to build them but they seem to be from the business side. What is the actual QUALITY like??? I assume the axles/bearings/hitch etc will all have been bought in. Any advice on what to look for???
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01 February 2008, 17:41
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01 February 2008, 19:20
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If the one I saw was anything to go by I'd avoid it.
Some of the engineering practices were a little suspect.
Think about the forces going through the welded joint where the rails are canted inwards on the CAN trailer shown below, and the lightweight upper rail will do little to add strength.
Compare the size of the sections and strengthening plates etc to the Indespension trailer also shown.
Nasher
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01 February 2008, 19:33
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Get a 'CLH' Codders
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01 February 2008, 19:39
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Yes I am going to!!!
That trailer looks seriously flimsy Nasher.............
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01 February 2008, 19:50
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Mmm
When you see the CAN and Indespension trailers side by side its a bit obvious.
Nasher.
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01 February 2008, 20:04
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AVOID at all costs, i saw one at first hand, (to try and save a few bucks), i walked after 2 mins, its a flimsy home produced mechano set, its was truly awfull,
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02 February 2008, 17:48
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They are crap, made near me ive seen a big sealine on one and it was flexing like anything, only good as a yard trailer tbh.
My brother seems to think rather than dipping the finished product they just buy pre-galvanised lengths in and build it up from that, apparently the welds aren't very good either due to the fact your welding to bits of galvanised metal together rather than dipping it after its been welded.
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02 February 2008, 17:59
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Originally Posted by ADS
They are crap, made near me ive seen a big sealine on one and it was flexing like anything, only good as a yard trailer tbh.
My brother seems to think rather than dipping the finished product they just buy pre-galvanised lengths in and build it up from that, apparently the welds aren't very good either due to the fact your welding to bits of galvanised metal together rather than dipping it after its been welded.
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The sections (galvanised) are welded and then painted with zinc rich paint, there are lots of people around with rusty joints.
Rumous were that the guy was been locked up
I really would avoid
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02 February 2008, 19:27
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Isn't it dodgy to weld Galvanised sections?
Sure I read somewhere that the Galvanising gives off Arsnic in vapour form when heated to welding temps.
Nasher.
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02 February 2008, 19:39
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Originally Posted by Nasher
Isn't it dodgy to weld Galvanised sections?
Sure I read somewhere that the Galvanising gives off Arsnic in vapour form when heated to welding temps.
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Your are correct. The galv. should be ground off before welding. However if you must do it the antidote is to drink milk.
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02 February 2008, 19:50
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Nasher
Isn't it dodgy to weld Galvanised sections?
Sure I read somewhere that the Galvanising gives off Arsnic in vapour form when heated to welding temps.
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Exactly.
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02 February 2008, 21:28
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Originally Posted by Limey Linda
Your are correct. The galv. should be ground off before welding. However if you must do it the antidote is to drink milk.
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Agreed one of our customers runs a welding shop and they are always welding galv. He said they all drink loads of milk but I wouldn't fancy working there. Their CD rom drives last about 3 months before the metal dust kills them - to think they are breathing in all that muck!!!
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02 February 2008, 21:58
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Originally Posted by Nasher
Isn't it dodgy to weld Galvanised sections?
Sure I read somewhere that the Galvanising gives off Arsnic in vapour form when heated to welding temps.
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Where does the Arsenic come from? I think you might be refering to zinc oxide poisoning which is unpleasant but a lot less serious than Arsenic poisoning. Zinc oxide is generally considered to be pretty harmless (its in all sorts of things including nappy rash cream!) - but there are quite alot of harmless things which will induce a short term immune reaction when inhales.
It will take more than a glass of milk to sort arsenic poisoning! No idea if or why milk will work for ZnO poisoning.
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02 February 2008, 22:17
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I was told years ago that paint sprayers using celulose should drink plenty of milk because the fumes reduce calcuim levels .
The bodywork guy at the garage i worked at used to drink a pint every morning .
dunno how correct it was
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02 February 2008, 22:57
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And totally off topic but could save someone's life one day.
Does anyone know the antidote to Ethelyne Glycol(antifreeze) poisoning???
Vodka - Whiskey - Gin etc - seriously!!! Ethanol is the preffered cure but anything pretty strong will do!!!
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02 February 2008, 23:52
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03 February 2008, 00:49
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Originally Posted by Polwart
Where does the Arsenic come from? I think you might be refering to zinc oxide poisoning which is unpleasant but a lot less serious than Arsenic poisoning. Zinc oxide is generally considered to be pretty harmless (its in all sorts of things including nappy rash cream!) - but there are quite alot of harmless things which will induce a short term immune reaction when inhales.
It will take more than a glass of milk to sort arsenic poisoning! No idea if or why milk will work for ZnO poisoning.
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You're right, it's Zinc Oxide poisoning-also referred to as Zinc Flu. If you imagine the worst bout of flu you've ever had, that's what it's like. Usually lasts around 24 hours. Drinking milk helps ease it.
He hasn't been locked up-but anecdotal evidence says there's been at least one catastrophic failure of a trailer while in use due to the production processes.I personally witnessed him welding a joint outside on a windy day using a cheap AC arc welder (and the weld looked like someone squeezed a pigeon on it).
I did a delivery for him of a 'new' trailer and had what's best described as a 'very bad experience' with his working practices. I was lucky. It could easily have killed someone.
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03 February 2008, 10:03
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So your no longer a dealer for him?
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03 February 2008, 13:27
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Oh dear I have to agree Codders, all those people waiting for trailers that are going to be rubbish anyway. To be honest the only attractive thing about them is the price, with a website like that you've got to be very naive to think your getting a quality trailer.
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