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14 April 2013, 19:31
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Limit on petrol?
This may be a stupid question (in which case I will deserve every silly answer), but is there a limit on how much petrol can be in my boat whilst towing?
Is there a volume that requires an 'inflammable liquid' warning sign?
Cheers
Hugh
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14 April 2013, 20:28
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The ONLY time you have too much fuel is when the boat is on fire.
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14 April 2013, 20:43
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Boatnomad
The ONLY time you have too much fuel is when the boat is on fire.
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Oh yeah - you're sooo right!
When donegaldan is driving, you can't have too much fuel or too many sandwiches...
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14 April 2013, 20:59
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Originally Posted by willk
Oh yeah - you're sooo right!
When donegaldan is driving, you can't have too much fuel or too many sandwiches...
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And don't forget the extra portion of chips!!
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14 April 2013, 21:42
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Does this help? Carriage of Dangerous Goods - Can private individuals carry petrol?
In general I don't think private rib owners have an issue - beyond common sense and generally ensuring a safe secure load.
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15 April 2013, 07:33
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Trucks are allowed to carry a total of 1500 litres in their tanks (maximum 999 in any one tank) before they come into ADR regulations.
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15 April 2013, 11:13
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What about Flares?
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15 April 2013, 12:19
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Tino
What about Flares?
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not in the same container as the Fuel is generally a good starting point
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15 April 2013, 12:37
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15 April 2013, 14:24
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You will find some official limits if using some ferries, tunnels etc.
Steve
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15 April 2013, 16:49
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I don't think you will ever carry enough to be outside of the law! Also, even if you had a couple of 25L fuel tanks, that is still going to put the boat up if it dies catch.
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15 April 2013, 17:30
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While we are talking about fuel filled the boat up two weeks ago when it was cold weather and it has expanded over the last couple of days of warm weather and leaked out of the filler cap. Gives me an excuse to wash the boat down!
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15 April 2013, 17:55
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Quote:
Originally Posted by AJ.
While we are talking about fuel filled the boat up two weeks ago when it was cold weather and it has expanded over the last couple of days of warm weather and leaked out of the filler cap. Gives me an excuse to wash the boat down!
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Sounds like you need to get out and use a bit
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15 April 2013, 20:29
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Quote:
Originally Posted by AJ.
While we are talking about fuel filled the boat up two weeks ago when it was cold weather and it has expanded over the last couple of days of warm weather and leaked out of the filler cap. Gives me an excuse to wash the boat down!
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0.1% change of volume per deg C (IIRC)
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15 April 2013, 21:13
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Quote:
Originally Posted by AJ.
While we are talking about fuel filled the boat up two weeks ago when it was cold weather and it has expanded over the last couple of days of warm weather and leaked out of the filler cap. Gives me an excuse to wash the boat down!
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One of the reasons F1 teams measure their fuel in kilos not litres as weight never changes with heat but volume does.
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15 April 2013, 21:22
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Quote:
Originally Posted by HughN
0.1% change of volume per deg C (IIRC)
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Interesting I knew it expands but didn't know a % per deg C .
Soooo 90l of fuel filled up at 0C two weeks ago, over the weekend it reached 16C so how much fuel has pi$$ed out all over my deck? (I wasn't very good at these maths questions)!
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15 April 2013, 21:25
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Just incase "Stato" AKA Poly jumps on to this there was probably .5l volume space in the filler neck...... I did almost brim it
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15 April 2013, 21:29
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So assuming the 0.1% is correct thats a 16 degree change to 16 times 0.1 is 1.6%
1% of 90litres is 0.9litres (900ml)
0.1% is 0.09litres (90ml) so 0.6% is 90ml x 6 = 360ml
So 1.26litres
Now how much pi$$sed out depends if you left any air space. But at £1.40 a litre thats expensive pi$$
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15 April 2013, 21:35
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ShinyShoe
So assuming the 0.1% is correct thats a 16 degree change to 16 times 0.1 is 1.6%
1% of 90litres is 0.9litres (900ml)
0.1% is 0.09litres (90ml) so 0.6% is 90ml x 6 = 360ml
So 1.26litres
Now how much pi$$sed out depends if you left any air space. But at £1.40 a litre thats expensive pi$$
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My decimal was in the wrong place, but my workings out were right. Thanks for that
I'd say then about .5l
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15 April 2013, 22:47
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ShinyShoe
So assuming the 0.1% is correct thats a 16 degree change to 16 times 0.1 is 1.6%
1% of 90litres is 0.9litres (900ml)
0.1% is 0.09litres (90ml) so 0.6% is 90ml x 6 = 360ml
So 1.26litres
Now how much pi$$sed out depends if you left any air space. But at £1.40 a litre thats expensive pi$$
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don't know where you went to school but six nines is fifty four so it is 1.44 L increase in volume...
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