2 stroke engines

Wazzajnr · 16 June 2021, 16:48

Hi all,

Does anyone know what UK legislation is now applicable to the sale of 2 stroke engines since we are no longer in the EU?

Also, the EU directive says the following.

"The directive does not apply to craft such as racing craft, canoes, kayaks or gondolas, surfboards or sailing surfboards, original and individual replicas of historical craft, or experimental craft, nor to engines fitted, or intended to be fitted, to such craft."

Our business specialises in electric motors and drives etc.
If I were to carry a small electric motor and prop (think model boat size) could I claim it was experimental purposes?

Finally, who would police this and how?

Many thanks.

Limecc · 16 June 2021, 16:59

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Originally Posted by Wazzajnr

Hi all,

Does anyone know what UK legislation is now applicable to the sale of 2 stroke engines since we are no longer in the EU?

Also, the EU directive says the following.

"The directive does not apply to craft such as racing craft, canoes, kayaks or gondolas, surfboards or sailing surfboards, original and individual replicas of historical craft, or experimental craft, nor to engines fitted, or intended to be fitted, to such craft."

Our business specialises in electric motors and drives etc.
If I were to carry a small electric motor and prop (think model boat size) could I claim it was experimental purposes?

Finally, who would police this and how?

Many thanks.

Nobody on here ever heard of it being policed, more of a self-regulation that dealers wouldn't sell one.
The directive never seemed to apply to the Chinese two strokes on ebay anyway. What a crock.

Wazzajnr · 16 June 2021, 18:31

Reason I'm asking is because the new bigger boat needs to go on hold until after we move so I'm looking at upping the motor on the sib to either a 9.9 or a 15hp and this hp in 4 stroke just makes them too heavy.
My 6 year old hyfong 6hp had been stuck in a corner for the last 3 years since it was last used in anger and unbelievably started first pull but it is just not quite powerful enough.
It will get on plane with me on board and juuuuuust gets there with the 8yo but its a battle.
I can get a 15hp 2 stroke from Ali express for under 500 quid plus postage and looking at some of the ancient crap out there for well over 500,i think it's worth a punt.
That all comes undone though if Mr plod hits me with a fine and bans me from using it.

TmMorris · 16 June 2021, 19:23

It can't really be policed on the water. The pressure is on domestic vendors to be kosher and for consumers to oblige.

Maximus · 17 June 2021, 11:33

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Originally Posted by Wazzajnr

Reason I'm asking is because the new bigger boat needs to go on hold until after we move so I'm looking at upping the motor on the sib to either a 9.9 or a 15hp and this hp in 4 stroke just makes them too heavy.
My 6 year old hyfong 6hp had been stuck in a corner for the last 3 years since it was last used in anger and unbelievably started first pull but it is just not quite powerful enough.
It will get on plane with me on board and juuuuuust gets there with the 8yo but its a battle.
I can get a 15hp 2 stroke from Ali express for under 500 quid plus postage and looking at some of the ancient crap out there for well over 500,i think it's worth a punt.
That all comes undone though if Mr plod hits me with a fine and bans me from using it.

They can't find the resources to police our Maritime borders properly! ...
let alone ONE Paraniod-Maverick

2-stroke!! "Eco vandal"!

Personally I wouldn't buy one....but Thats.. another story

Limecc · 17 June 2021, 12:21

What a shame 'clean' two strokes like E-Tec or OptiMax are no longer available.

Richd · 17 June 2021, 13:25

I wouldn't personally buy one ... but the electric ones are looking interesting!

(I'd trust a cheap leccy over cheap 2T because the leccy would be for river use only perhaps )

Limecc · 17 June 2021, 13:56

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Originally Posted by Richd

I wouldn't personally buy one ... but the electric ones are looking interesting!

(I'd trust a cheap leccy over cheap 2T because the leccy would be for river use only perhaps )

Because a 55lb cheap leccy equates to only 0.8hp for as long as your battery lasts, don't plan to return upstream or against a tide. Could be very interesting indeed.

I'd sooner insert earplugs and trust the cheap Chinese 2T

Richd · 17 June 2021, 14:09

Who said 55lb? I'm looking at the 48v 1800w ones which puroport to equal 7hp @ 12kg.

https://amzn.to/3gILfyS this sort of thing.

Might be a fair old battery though! I have a 48v e-bike so will talk to my battery chap.

At the end of the day, silent river cruising appeals massively!

Fenlander · 17 June 2021, 14:56

>>>silent river cruising appeals massively!

Yes despite our love of the sea we visit the river a few times a year and after my first river outing on the Elling I though how great this would go with elec power when on the river. Went straight over to the website for the one I fancied (Torqeedo) and seeing the prices when a spare battery was factored in I didn't even bother Mrs F with a business case!

Limecc · 17 June 2021, 15:06

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Originally Posted by Richd

Who said 55lb? I'm looking at the 48v 1800w ones which puroport to equal 7hp @ 12kg.

https://amzn.to/3gILfyS this sort of thing.

Might be a fair old battery though! I have a 48v e-bike so will talk to my battery chap.

At the end of the day, silent river cruising appeals massively!

Sorry to burst any bubbles but as usual the claims are overrated.

Let's assume 100% efficiency and that 35a is actually drawn in real life (highly unlikely).

48v x 35a = 1680w (P=IV), not 1.8kw!
1hp = 745w
1680/745 = 2.25hp, not 7hp!

Richd · 17 June 2021, 15:14

Yeah, I guess reality always bites! It's like chinese lumens on cree torches.
5000 CL = about 800 real ones.

Just musing really as river cruising will be great when affordable electric power happens!

Limecc · 17 June 2021, 15:25

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Originally Posted by Richd

Yeah, I guess reality always bites! It's like chinese lumens on cree torches.
5000 CL = about 800 real ones.

Speaking of which I purchased some Ultrafire 4000mAh lithium 18650's. Couldn't understand why the run time was so much worse than the Trustfire 2400mAh batteries I also had.

Purchased a decent charger that can actually test the capacities, Ultrafire held typically 780mAh (just 19.5% of claimed) and the Trustfire 1360mAh (56.7%). Pretty crap and a total waste of money. Needless to say now I only buy genuine branded batteries such as from Olight.

Trading standards should be involved for all these products.

Richd · 17 June 2021, 15:51

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Originally Posted by Limecc

Trading standards should be involved for all these products.

Once the furlough scheme stops perhaps we could have another few million TS inspectors. It would need that many to police all the rubbish coming over!

Wazzajnr · 17 June 2021, 15:57

And, bear in mind that a typical bike battery (15ah)will be dead after around 20 minutes of running.
A day out is going to cost more than a good 4st in batteries alone.
On a bike, it's very rare you're using full power but on a boat it will be.

Wazzajnr · 17 June 2021, 15:59

Anyway the original post is a moot point now.
I've managed to snap up a tidy looking evinrude 9.9hp 2st circa mid to late 80's for a nice price.
Just hoping it is as good as its described.

If anyone comes across a 15hp of the same vintage breaking for spares let me know, I want a 15hp carb for it. ��

Richd · 17 June 2021, 16:12

mis posted!

Fenlander · 17 June 2021, 16:53

That's good Wazza... I'd far rather than than a £500 new one from Alibaba.

Wazzajnr · 17 June 2021, 18:50

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Originally Posted by Fenlander

That's good Wazza... I'd far rather than than a £500 new one from Alibaba.

To be fair, my experience with Chinese motors has been good. However, availability of spares local to whichever beach I'm at did have some influence.

Wazzajnr · 21 June 2021, 22:52

Just picked up the new motor.
Looks in pretty good order, starts and runs well.
Little bit heavier than my cheapo chinesium motor but not too bad, my guess is about 30 ish kg.

Not certain when I'll get to try it out hoping to get away this coming weekend if I can find a campsite with space.
I'll keep you posted.