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03 March 2019, 16:08
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Country: UK - England
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Boat name: Black Pearl
Make: Compass
Length: 3m +
Engine: suzuki 9.9 2 stroke
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bombard c4
hello to all
i am thinking of upgrading my current set up and fancy a bombard c4 . i want to continue transporting my new boat folded down rather than use a trailer.As a 40hp would be too heavy to carry would it be possible to mount 2 X 20 hp engines on the C4. i know it would be laborious to set up but i just wondered if it is feasible,thanks
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03 March 2019, 16:43
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Town: Retford
Boat name: Spy-sea-one
Make: Excel 435
Length: 4m +
Engine: Suzuki Outboard/25/4
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I would dought you would have the room also twins don't equate to full hp you would be better buying a 30 hp probably get the same performance as twin 20 hp
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03 March 2019, 17:20
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Country: UK - England
Town: Cambridgeshire
Boat name: Nimrod II
Make: Aerotec 380
Length: 3m +
Engine: Yam 15 Tohatsu 9.8
Join Date: Nov 2007
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Remind us what your current setup is Moosecat… and what you're looking to gain from an upgrade.
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03 March 2019, 18:11
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Town: Southport
Boat name: Black Pearl
Make: Compass
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Engine: suzuki 9.9 2 stroke
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Originally Posted by Fenlander
Remind us what your current setup is Moosecat… and what you're looking to gain from an upgrade.
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Hi , i currently have a 3m compass with a 9.9 suzuki 2 stroke, the tubes are too small in diameter for choppy conditions as i have found out the hard way. i would like a new boat that is tough enough for choppy seas and rocky coves, 4m ish , 20-30 hp , similar spec to C4 , preferaby packed away each trip but not essential. Any recommendations gratefully received thanks
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03 March 2019, 19:31
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Country: UK - England
Town: Cambridgeshire
Boat name: Nimrod II
Make: Aerotec 380
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Engine: Yam 15 Tohatsu 9.8
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OK... well from a 3m with a 9.9 you would see a massive improvement to something in the 3.5-3.8m range with a 15-20hp. Say a T35-AE Honwave with a 20hp motor.
If you are attracted to a solid feeling large 4m ish SIB the Honwave T40-AE or Quicksilver 3.65 (or even 4.15) would fit the bill with say a 20 or 25hp motor.
The C4 is a great heavyweight SIB but perhaps over the top and expensive for most UK leisure use... thinking of doubling up the motor is really taking it a little far.
And all the above advice assumes you have the patience to deal with larger alloy floor SIBs when set up daily. Otherwise something like the Honwave air floor T38-IE with a 20hp would be another substantial upgrade from your current setup.
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03 March 2019, 20:04
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Country: UK - England
Town: Southport
Boat name: Black Pearl
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Hi Fenlander, thanks for the reply and your advice , much appreciated, i'll have a good look at your choices , cheers
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03 March 2019, 21:04
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Country: UK - Scotland
Town: Edinburgh
Boat name: Excel Chalanger
Make: Highfield 380 Excel
Length: 4m +
Engine: 25 Yamaha 25Suzuki
MMSI: 235919522
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Hi moosecat the Honwave T40 is a lot of boat to pack and unpack all the time especially with all the floor sections I personally would trailer it however the 3.8 air floor would be quite quickly set up from what I have seen on some trips out with fellow sibbers it would be interesting to hear other views on this but it would be a big upgrade from what you have now
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03 March 2019, 21:51
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A T3.8 Honwave with a 15 or 20 hp would be a sensible choice for daily set up and take down.
Wouldn't cost much compared to buying a C4 and 2 outboards.
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04 March 2019, 02:23
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Make: HumberOceanOffshore
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Moosecat
.... would it be possible to mount 2 X 20 hp engines on the C4.
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Yes, it is perfectly possible.
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04 March 2019, 10:09
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the bombard c4 comes in at 106 kg £3370 you would have to shape the transom to fit two outboards great on a three and half grand boat.
my mercury 3.65 100kg £1599 with a 25 hp on 61 kg is way too heavy to keep building each time as wood the c4
kaman has the best option IMO his performs as well as mine on our trips or an aerotec same as fenlander IMO.
the c4 is a great boat though i like the wood keel too.if you want to spend big dosh the futura air floors are worth a look ron hale site has some for info
Ron Hale Marine Ltd - Bombard Commando C4
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04 March 2019, 10:11
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The transom is designed for a single engine and is cut down in the centre to suit a single short shaft outboard. It would therefore require modifying for a twin engine set up. You would also have to be very careful not to exceed the 109kg weight limit.
Personally I wouldn't bother as it would be very time consuming to set up and pack away for each use and you would probably end up with a trailer fairly quickly. Buying and maintaining 2x 20hp outboards would also be expensive.
The Honwave mentioned sounds like a good idea.
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04 March 2019, 19:10
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Town: Lancaster
Boat name: Sisu
Make: Brig
Length: 5m +
Engine: Suzuki DF50
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I’d also say a Honwave. Air floor every time if you want to deflate to transport.
Or look out for an air floor Zodiac like mine or an Aerotec as the ultimate portable setup.
Don’t bother with twin engines. You will only add weight and the transom is designed for one engine.
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04 March 2019, 20:03
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Country: UK - England
Town: Crewe
Boat name: Orion
Make: Humber Attaque
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I had a C4 for a couple of years and it went very well with a Mariner 25 4 stroke on the back.
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04 March 2019, 20:22
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How did you find the wooden keel performed compared to the more common inflatable keels, assuming you have experienced both?
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04 March 2019, 21:54
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Country: UK - England
Town: Southport
Boat name: Black Pearl
Make: Compass
Length: 3m +
Engine: suzuki 9.9 2 stroke
Join Date: Jun 2016
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Hi guys, thank you very much for replys, much appreciated, a lot of food for thought, I've a lot to digest and think about , as you all know all boats are a compromise at some point, whatever you do , don't tell the wife [emoji57]
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