Electric Winch and extension rope

[Windsurfer]

Hi

Im looking to get another bigger lightweight rib or sib and would need to pull it back up the beach with an electric winch.

The winches ive be looking at all come with around 12-15m of synthetic rope , i need up to an extra 30m- 40m depending on the tide.
Could i get a rope made up with loops along the length at say every couple of meters, as i will have to pull up the 15m thats on the winch and then pull it out again and reattached etc.
Then set up im looking at would weigh around 160-200kgs with the large 460mm beach ballon wheelz on the transom.

Any info or advice would be great thanks

[neil.mccrirrick]

Biggest problem will most likely be overheating winch tbh. If you have 15 m that the tow vehicle cam move I’d use your engine and reverse back

[neil.mccrirrick]

Or go with this. I’ve bought one to help recovery from the back of a motorhome http://www.bak-rak.com/winch-rak.htm

[Oldman2]

We used to use a gin wheel anchored into the sea wall and tie a rope from the boat to the toe ball and drive the car down the sea wall. Only any good if its somewhere quiet as kids & old folk will never see the rope until its too late.
A friend uses his front mounted Land Rover winch to pull his boat up the shingle but that winch is twice as robust as the cheaper Ebay offerings.
If you used a block & tackle with a top of beach anchor point you could pull it up yourself from beside the boat, not too hard and total control.

[Windsurfer]

Originally Posted by neil.mccrirrick

Biggest problem will most likely be overheating winch tbh. If you have 15 m that the tow vehicle cam move I’d use your engine and reverse back

I can only drive parallel the beach and there are often people walking / cycling along the top so its not an option, i have the hand winch on top of my trailer so maybe this could be changed to a larger one with along rope?

[Windsurfer]

Originally Posted by Oldman2

We used to use a gin wheel anchored into the sea wall and tie a rope from the boat to the toe ball and drive the car down the sea wall. Only any good if its somewhere quiet as kids & old folk will never see the rope until its too late.
A friend uses his front mounted Land Rover winch to pull his boat up the shingle but that winch is twice as robust as the cheaper Ebay offerings.
If you used a block & tackle with a top of beach anchor point you could pull it up yourself from beside the boat, not too hard and total control.

The winch i was looking at was a Rhino one , it looks popular with the off roaders.

[Oldman2]

Air filled beach rollers can be handy if your on a shingle beach too.
Rhino 12v 13500lb Carbon Series

Is that the one ? Quite a bit more cost than a block & tackle
Watch out for the current draw too 80-400amps

[Windsurfer]

Originally Posted by Oldman2

Air filled beach rollers can be handy if your on a shingle beach too.
Rhino 12v 13500lb Carbon Series

Is that the one ? Quite a bit more cost than a block & tackle
Watch out for the current draw too 80-400amps

It was the smaller model 4500lb that I was looking at and hopefully just running it of the van battery with some long leads. Do you think it’s capable ?

[Obsidian]

Can you describe the general situation? I cant help but be confused by the possibilities here.

[Oldman2]

Originally Posted by Windsurfer

It was the smaller model 4500lb that I was looking at and hopefully just running it of the van battery with some long leads. Do you think it’s capable ?

I'm sure its capable of pulling the load, but how steep is the shingle beach, you dont want the bow trying to nose dive into the shingle if the winch point is too low. Oh and remember these winches are geared for power so are very slow on the pull.


Do you not have an easy slipway option close by?

[PeterInSa]

I have a 3000lb winch to pull my 1/2 cabin boat onto our trailer, To me a 4500lb winch similar to the unit below, with nylon cable 1/3 of this units thickness should do the job at less than 100 Pounds.

With winches you also need to looks at the pull in speed, I had an electric winch that my wife could beat pulling in the boast with a hand winch.

https://www.amazon.com.au/Wireless-4...language=en_AU

[A1an]

I would’ve thought that a capstan winch would be more suited to this task.

Eye watering price tag though.

[charliee]

For a rope, just tie a series of loops in the rode. Attach rode to boat, pull winch out and hook to the most suitable loop, winch in, unhook, walk the cable out and attach to the next most suitable loop, keep repeating until done.

[Windsurfer]

Thanks for the replies , ive attached some pictures so you can see what im up against.
At the top of the beach you get the steeper sections and sometimes mid way down depending on how rough the sea has been , also the pictures show a medium low tide.
We trailer our current sib to the top of the beach as there is a nice grass section i can park on and pull the sib down on the large transom wheels, we can then pull it back up fine with two of us.
My current set up is really light at around 100kg the possible new set up is around 200kgs.
The van is reversed on the beach with the back of the trailer facing down and was thinking of bolting the winch on the trailer under the boat with a battery next to it or use long jump leads.

[Windsurfer]

Originally Posted by Oldman2

I'm sure its capable of pulling the load, but how steep is the shingle beach, you dont want the bow trying to nose dive into the shingle if the winch point is too low. Oh and remember these winches are geared for power so are very slow on the pull.


Do you not have an easy slipway option close by?

I live across the rd from this beach so don't really want to launch anywhere else , theres no ramps close by either.

Im a little concerned about the speed of recovery !

[Windsurfer]

Originally Posted by A1an

I would’ve thought that a capstan winch would be more suited to this task.

Eye watering price tag though.

I keep looking at the forestry petrol ones , yes massively expensive but it only weighs 15kg and like the way it spills the rope off so theres no faffing around reconnecting etc
Think ill try the electric one first !

[Windsurfer]

Originally Posted by PeterInSa

I have a 3000lb winch to pull my 1/2 cabin boat onto our trailer, To me a 4500lb winch similar to the unit below, with nylon cable 1/3 of this units thickness should do the job at less than 100 Pounds.

With winches you also need to looks at the pull in speed, I had an electric winch that my wife could beat pulling in the boast with a hand winch.

https://www.amazon.com.au/Wireless-4...language=en_AU

Its the speed of recovery that concerns me , maybe i need a stronger wife or an electric one....

[Windsurfer]

Originally Posted by charliee

For a rope, just tie a series of loops in the rode. Attach rode to boat, pull winch out and hook to the most suitable loop, winch in, unhook, walk the cable out and attach to the next most suitable loop, keep repeating until done.

Thanks Charliee from what i can see the alpine is the best knot for the loops?

[A1an]

Originally Posted by Windsurfer

I keep looking at the forestry petrol ones , yes massively expensive but it only weighs 15kg and like the way it spills the rope off so theres no faffing around reconnecting etc
Think ill try the electric one first !

I actually have one of those petrol capstans, I use it for recovering deer out of tricky places.

[Oldman2]

The bottom of the beach is easy to winch up, but that storm bank near the top is whats going to cause you problems. Even using inflatable rollers then you get close to the bank the winch wire is going to be trying to push the boat nose down in my opinion. You need something on the top of the storm bank with a guide roller to change the angle of pull, a small A frame maybe that you can easily move back to the next bank.
What do others living/launching nearby do?
Making sure you recover at high may help but only with the easy bit.
Because longshore drift is putting the banks of shingle there they are loose packed I bet so no chance of getting the trailer onto them without it sinking up to its axle.
Ive not really helped much.