Handlebar versus wheel

shedsmith · 16 August 2016, 22:53

I need some comfort and organisation in a IRB3.6m with 30hp. Proposing a seat up the middle of craft for storage, push and pull cables/ rods + tie rods travel through it. Wings are fitted to outboard with same/ similar circumference to handle bars. Gears would be good but not necessary, ( noyce though ) comfort is, throttle is sorted.
Any thoughts, you would think that some one has done it somewhere, wasn't there a early PwC with the similar set up, yes I google it, is this a brain fart or feasible?

Poly · 16 August 2016, 23:53

Are you thinking of wing collar?

I'm not sure I see the advantage over wheel steering. Personally I'd buy a boat with a centre console if that's what you want.

shedsmith · 17 August 2016, 00:01

A piece of stainless or aluminum to provide an anchor,

prairie tuber · 18 August 2016, 05:53

Are you currently set up with a tiller?

jyasaki · 21 August 2016, 00:41

Problem would be that most steering is multi-turn lock to lock. That would be tough with handlebars. Regearing would yield pretty twitchy operation and I would expect a very heavy feel.

jky

shedsmith · 25 August 2016, 12:17

Yeah maybe, the handle bars are like a t bar, you pull and push at the same time so Heavy maybe not, twitcy is feasible. Only one way to know, I can always revert it to a wheel afterward. Been looking at vintage ply race boats and it looks easy enough to set up a wheel, growing up on trail bikes you get accustomed to hanging off handle bars. Me, Mr Scounge O has been also looking at 12 volt geared motors on eBay for an alternative to to a throttle set up. To set up forward controls is a $700 budget, already have the pulleys and tensioner and the geared 12 v motor are $12 to $30. I will speak to the hobby shops about a gear shift, an actuator with three positions? I will post in a couple of months the solution, any help would be greatly appreciated.
Twitcy is right, but wouldn't that be an issue for jet skis, they have a similar set up?

shedsmith · 25 August 2016, 12:32

Forgot to mention Mr Tuber, it is currently a tiller, it just isn't practical, I'm going to get bounced out as I'm perched on a tube bouncing on the chop plus being an old fart with RSI makes hanging on a tiller a very taxing exercise. Did I mention a crook back. Me thinks a saddle and handle bars will give better posture. As I mentioned before, the seat that stores is a must, even with a tiller extension it would still be uncomfortable to operate, but for $25 it's worth getting, especially when planning the location for the drivers seat.

Mextli · 25 August 2016, 14:39

I think youd be better off with tried and tested stuff.
Not saying that it wont work, but if youre driving in choppy water, a steering failure is not what youll want.
Besides, keep it simple. What isnt there cant break.

jumpinjack · 25 August 2016, 15:03

It's already a reality. Currently In trial.
http://trends.nauticexpo.com/ullman-...08-314484.html

Pikey Dave · 25 August 2016, 15:46

Ullman had a handle bar steered boat at Seaworks 2015. It was on a twin inboard diesel, very impressive but you'd need deeeep pockets.

Lions led by donkeys

shedsmith · 25 August 2016, 22:00

Tried and tested definitely, it's only a 30hp not 300hp, its politically incorrect to own a boat in my family, I have one cross bencher prepared to vote for me and the other daughter suffers from being a female . So any financial matters have to be swindled through, turning up with forward controls would mean jail time, possibly death.
The servo / motor will need to be fitted to the tiller handle and removable whilst rolling around and plan b ( tiller extension) refitted to tiller. A steering failure would mean the same.
A bit of quality time in the shed messing around with boats and a few dollars on eBay, a few home brews, sorry back to go work.

Poly · 26 August 2016, 08:55

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Originally Posted by shedsmith

Tried and tested definitely, it's only a 30hp not 300hp, its politically incorrect to own a boat in my family, I have one cross bencher prepared to vote for me and the other daughter suffers from being a female . So any financial matters have to be swindled through, turning up with forward controls would mean jail time, possibly death.
The servo / motor will need to be fitted to the tiller handle and removable whilst rolling around and plan b ( tiller extension) refitted to tiller. A steering failure would mean the same.
A bit of quality time in the shed messing around with boats and a few dollars on eBay, a few home brews, sorry back to go work.

The good thing is that people who don't like boats have no idea how much stuff costs so can believe it was only about thirty quid!

I can't work out if you've picked the wrong wife or the wrong sort of boating for your wife.

shedsmith · 26 August 2016, 11:56

To comment or not to comment that is the question.

jyasaki · 26 August 2016, 15:41

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Originally Posted by Pikey Dave

Ullman had a handle bar steered boat at Seaworks 2015.

Not to mention that the later US Navy destroyers and such steer via a tiny 1.5" joystick (though on those things, twitchy steering doesn't really come into play.)

Certainly doable, just a matter of how much return you get for having to engineer a workable solution.

jky

shedsmith · 26 August 2016, 21:30

Quote:

Originally Posted by jyasaki

Not to mention that the later US Navy destroyers and such steer via a tiny 1.5" joystick (though on those things, twitchy steering doesn't really come into play.)

Certainly doable, just a matter of how much return you get for having to engineer a workable solution.

jky

I estimate 6 tallies, there's enough pome left in me to engineer a frugal solution.
Tallie is a bottle and pome is prisoner of mother england