Is this a sensible setup

[Steve509926]

Hi Paul,

Can I ask what kind of car you are thinking of transporting your OB in? Does it have a boot with a lip or is it flat?

[weymouth_sib]

so some good news to report, my wife and i lifted the engine this afternoon and put it on the boat and it wasn't too stressful, which is a great news ! Going to look online for those dual purpose sack trucks and order one (probably machine mart) as that looks like it could remove most of the lifting / moving burden.

related to that are there slings or something else designed to wrap around underneath the engine block to provide handles to make it easier to lift? there aren't very good grab bpoints on the engine itself

good advice on portalnd too, we're definately aiming to start as simple / easy as possible

thanks again all, this is all really helpful


paul

[Fenlander]

Not trying to undermine the lifting success with Mrs Weymouth but while you have the offer of a swap or refund just make sure you're sure so to speak.

With the ages of your children Mrs W may be distracted looking after them near water and not immediately available to help lift. Also the outboard lift/carry is many times harder if it involves a sloping greasy green slipway... or over soft sand/pebbles... or for a distance. Far harder than a no-pressure experiment at home.

So despite there being many ideas and devices for moving overweight outboards there is nothing like the convenience of having one that's a manageable single person lift if you intend keeping to a daily setup from the back of the car.

However so many follks who have started with larger SIBs and heavy outboards like yours soon move to a trailer so that could well be where you're heading.

[beamishken]

Personally if I had the opportunity of a refund I'd take the money add some money to it to it and look for a known make clean late two stroke 15 or 20 save the back & the aggro from a Chinese engine.
Dont shoot me but I'm not keen on small 4 strokes & even less keen on Chinese clones

[smallribber]

Simply put a 50kg outboard is way too heavy to carry about and put on and off a Sib. You will at some point injure yourself

[HDAV]

Originally Posted by weymouth_sib

that makes sense, is there a sensible alternative to a slipway? or even use the slipway but lower the boat down using the car and a tie off to the front of the SIB ?

Apologies for the dumb questions!

Paul

Usual alternative to a formal slipway is normally a beach set up and launch and the big advantage of a sib is you don’t need a formal a slip to launch which normally involves fees etc to access someones (council or private) asset. You can launch a sib anywhere you can carry it to realistically

[jeffstevens763@g]

Originally Posted by Fenlander

Not trying to undermine the lifting success with Mrs Weymouth but while you have the offer of a swap or refund just make sure you're sure so to speak.

With the ages of your children Mrs W may be distracted looking after them near water and not immediately available to help lift. Also the outboard lift/carry is many times harder if it involves a sloping greasy green slipway... or over soft sand/pebbles... or for a distance. Far harder than a no-pressure experiment at home.same weight 15/20

So despite there being many ideas and devices for moving overweight outboards there is nothing like the convenience of having one that's a manageable single person lift if you intend keeping to a daily setup from the back of the car.

However so many follks who have started with larger SIBs and heavy outboards like yours soon move to a trailer so that could well be where you're heading.

My thoughts too, bin the electric start too it’s weight that doesn’t give you much two pulls on the manual start job done. Resale to the parsun won’t do well at the side of well known makes. With your family size you might think going up 5 hp kids soon grow all IMO

[weymouth_sib]

Originally Posted by Steve509926

Hi Paul,

Can I ask what kind of car you are thinking of transporting your OB in? Does it have a boot with a lip or is it flat?

Hi Steve its a ford focus estate so flat boot, as a result I've ordered one of the 2 in 1 trolleys as it looks like that could be loaded relatively easily. At the same time I am investigating trailers now ! Anyone got any recommendations?#


thanks

paul

[smallribber]

Originally Posted by weymouth_sib

Hi Steve its a ford focus estate so flat boot, as a result I've ordered one of the 2 in 1 trolleys as it looks like that could be loaded relatively easily. At the same time I am investigating trailers now ! Anyone got any recommendations?#


thanks

paul

Look at extreme Trailers they are very good and have one designed specifically for Sibs

[Steve509926]

Originally Posted by weymouth_sib

Hi Steve its a ford focus estate so flat boot, as a result I've ordered one of the 2 in 1 trolleys as it looks like that could be loaded relatively easily. At the same time I am investigating trailers now ! Anyone got any recommendations?#


thanks

paul

Not really sure what you mean by a 2 in 1 trolley.

It's good that you have a flat load area in your Focus it will make it much easier to load and unload the outboard. However at that weight you will probably always need two people to do it otherwise you'll do yourself an injury, or drop the OB. I wouldn't bother with any straps as I don't think they would help.
I have a 47.5kg 15hp Merc, and although I can load and unload it by myself, I prefer not to.
The way we do it, is to get the 2nd person (in my case my beloved ) to lift the prop end of the OB onto the tailgate whilst I take the top end weight of the OB on my thighs sliding the OB into the back of the truck at the same time, laying the top end of the OB on its transit lugs. I hope you can visualise what I mean. I think you will find that the position of the handle, if its fitted just below the transom mount, will help as it's just below the OBs centre of gravity. Obviously it is the reverse to unload.
Hope that helps.

[HDAV]

Originally Posted by Steve509926

Not really sure what you mean by a 2 in 1 trolley.

Sack truck with a second set of wheels where the handles are

https://www.machinemart.co.uk/p/cst4...-1-sack-truck/

[Oldman2]

This is a 2 in one trolley, or it was before I attacked it. It now has 3 sets of wheels, the top ones allow the power head end to be lowered into my hatchback load area and once the weight is inside its easy to lift the leg over the sill and scoot it into the corner. The middle castors are not used now, they were part of the 2 in 1 trolley setup.
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Same outboard on a different modified sack truck sits in between the rear seats.
This is a 2 stroke, the problem with a 4 stroke is they need I think to always be laid down on their side, extra effort and not so easy if they are on a sack truck.
suzuki incar.jpg

[Steve509926]

Originally Posted by HDAV

Sack truck with a second set of wheels where the handles are

https://www.machinemart.co.uk/p/cst4...-1-sack-truck/

Oldman has already said exactly what I would have pointed out after seeing what a 2 in 1 trolley is, I think all 4 strokes have to be laid on their sides so I don't know how a trolley like that will work.

[chipko]

In fairness I think most four strokes will tolerate transported front down as long as the power head is higher than the leg. No different to when raised on the boat.

If you just want something to aid sliding into the car we knocked up a simple dolly on castors for our unwieldy Mariner 20. Shown here with a tiny 3.5 for illustration as our 20 now lives on a small rib and only goes by car at service time.

[weymouth_sib]

Originally Posted by Steve509926

Oldman has already said exactly what I would have pointed out after seeing what a 2 in 1 trolley is, I think all 4 strokes have to be laid on their sides so I don't know how a trolley like that will work.

In the instructions it is saying it can be laid on side or on it's front (prop upwards), but i'll re-check in the morning as the instructions are in the garage

[Steve509926]

Originally Posted by chipko

In fairness I think most four strokes will tolerate transported front down as long as the power head is higher than the leg. No different to when raised on the boat.

If you just want something to aid sliding into the car we knocked up a simple dolly on castors for our unwieldy Mariner 20. Shown here with a tiny 3.5 for illustration as our 20 now lives on a small rib and only goes by car at service time.

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Like that idea Chipko, looks like it could be an easier one man job with that dolly.

[HDAV]

Originally Posted by Steve509926

Oldman has already said exactly what I would have pointed out after seeing what a 2 in 1 trolley is, I think all 4 strokes have to be laid on their sides so I don't know how a trolley like that will work.

Put it side on the trolley so it lies on the correct side

[Steve509926]

Originally Posted by HDAV

Put it side on the trolley so it lies on the correct side

But then it can't be used to move the OB around, not unless your going to strap it on and not use the transom clamps. Wouldn't be very secure.

[beamishken]

Some more modern 4 strokes can be laid down 3 ways you need to check the individual engines manual for confirmation

[pumpkinking]

Could you not just clamp the motor to the trolley as suggested, then when it’s in the car swivel the motor as you do when steering the boat?

I know we’re talking about a 20 HP motor but for what it’s worth my Suzuki DF6 can be laid on its front. As someone said earlier, with mine the block just needs to be higher than the leg, and not rested on its back