Lifting up people to a sib

[azzurro]

Hello all,

I use a folding ladder to get back to my sib after swimming/snorkeling/whatever. It works fine even for elder people.

But sometimes i have thought about lifting up people that cannot use the ladder (such as injured people).

How would you manage that?

[willk]

If there are two of you on board, parbuckling can be done with a rope.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7H8QaAdSRNU

[stevo]

go to zodiac water rescue on youtube good demo on there of lifting into a sib.

[azzurro]

Parbuckling! Good! Another thing to carry in my sib, parbuckling ropes/stripes.
I have to practise that before having to use it...and of course I hope I never have to.

[jyasaki]

One other method is to grab the victims feet and pull on board up to the knees (butt will be against the tubes.) Then grab arms and pull. The butt and torso create a fulcrum allowing a fairly easy lift. The one problem is that their head may dunk for a few seconds, but I suspect that's better than remaining in the water. I have successfully done this (practice) solo with an average sized person (not sure I could do this alone with a very large person. They'd have to wait for the Coast Guard to arrive.)

jky

[Rokraider]

If the victim is in a bad way and has unknown injuries, possibly spinal? It would be better to keep them in the water and radio to get proper medics out with a spine board etc. Rather than tugging and twisting them to get them into the SIB. You could do severe damage.

[Baetske]

Every victim should be kept horizontally. Even when taking them aboard/ashore. Reason is that when in cold Water the warm blood from the core would circulate to the extremities, cool down and when returning to the core cause a cardiac arrest.

Evenso when having a spinal injury a straight line of the vertebrae is best but in case of CPR or uncinsciousness don't waste time in struggling to take them aboard or ashore by keeping them straight.

I'm a firefighter/diver with experience in offshore rescue on both P1 and class1 as an intensive care nurse and that 's what we were tought. (Apologies for the language-faults since i'm not used to writing in English.

[Poly]

Originally Posted by Rokraider

It would be better to keep them in the water and radio to get proper medics out with a spine board etc.

Is that a question or a statement? I think that sort of decision very much depends on the circumstances you find yourself in.

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Jim

[Rokraider]

Originally Posted by Poly

Is that a question or a statement? I think that sort of decision very much depends on the circumstances you find yourself in.

Obviously!

[azzurro]

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Jim

Recovery cradle
It looks definitely the solution.

I do not feel like playing rescue hero at all, no guts enough and lumbalgia.

5 years ago I saw a rescue op: a boy had crashed into a rock when plunging. The skull was cracked and maybe he had spinal injuries. But most of the initial damage was drowning.
Later, the problem was too much bleeding.
I think Red Cross volunteers at the beach do not have these cradles. You can quickly and safely rescue injured people with multiple issues, no time for decissions.

I spend my holidays in a zone where many people gets downed, maybe 1 each 2 years. It is not a joke. There's a lovely point called "Dead men beach".
You know, people think Med sea is peaceful. Water may be warm, but better do not mess when the wind blows and the waves hit the coast. Turists do not know the danger and want to enjoy each and every day.

[jyasaki]

The problem with the cradle, from a recreational standpoint, is bulk. Storing the thing onboard for the one or two times you may actually need it would be difficult in most boats.

The price for the one mentioned above would (IMO) be rather dissuasive as well.

jky

[RIB-Teccie]

You can make a cradle fairly cheaply with 2 thick alloy strips and a thick net. Made our own at Stonehaven for all of the years we operated. There are some made of fabric which aren't too bulky commercially available.

If the casualty is conscious and has not been in the water long and is fully communicative, he can talk about his injuries before you decide how to take him in. I'm talking about a man overboard situation and less than ten minutes. If anyone has been in for more than ten minutes and is less responsive a horizontal lift is essential regardless of injuries. If you vertically lift this guy, he could die on the deck of a heart attack before you get to a broken anything.

I've been at road traffic accidents and seen people pass out when a Doctor has straightened a broken leg with compound fractures. If you get someone in that state with hypothermia the casualty will pass out on you due to pain. The rules are (after you've done your ABC) you have to get them warmer first with an orange casualty bag and wooden hat/gloves. If you get the casualty to shore, the emergency services will have a fighting chance. To be in that state requiring rescue at sea would be grim indeed.