Ply on top of air floor

[GARYSHORT]

Originally Posted by Max...

Go air or go solid - don't try and bodge it. You'll just end up with the worst of both worlds.

Your boat is not designed for both together. One or the other. Get an aluminum flooring system, not wood.

[Island]

Originally Posted by Steve509926

Why would a thicker airdeck make planing easier?
The stiffness/higher pressure "may" make it easier to plane, but I doubt it. Even with a higher pressure airdeck you still only have a slightly taut thin skin pvc hull.

I think you may have misunderstood the reason for the "heavy plastic panels". They are actually light weight boards that fit BELOW the airdeck, in between the airdeck and the inflatable keel. They are fitted in an attempt to stop large air bubbles building up under the keel/hull and escaping at the bow causing cavitation /prop slip.

If the strapped board is supposed to be faced down towards the water then why is the air valve (in the photo) on the same side as the board???

[Steve509926]

Welcome to the forum Island.

I assume you are referring to the picture in #22 & #24
The valve isn't on the same side as the board. The hole in the front of the Airdeck is to gain access to the keel valve, and the slight shade difference rear/right is a patch fitted during manufacturing after the Airdeck valve is fitted from the underside of the Airdeck.

[Island]

Originally Posted by Steve509926

Welcome to the forum Island.

I assume you are referring to the picture in #22 & #24
The valve isn't on the same side as the board. The hole in the front of the Airdeck is to gain access to the keel valve, and the slight shade difference rear/right is a patch fitted during manufacturing after the Airdeck valve is fitted from the underside of the Airdeck.

Hi Steve - Thanks for prompt response. I have looked closely at the Photo ( #24) To me it is a photo of an air valve. No way is it a patch, as it clearly has shades, indicating a 3 dimensional surface - looks just like an air valve to me . Also I have never seen any photo of a patch the opposite side of an air valve as you have described.

[Blankton]

My air floor on a quicksilver has a patch the opposite side of the floor. I thought it was a wear or reinforcement patch rather than where the valve was fitted - but either way, they do seem to exist.

[Island]

Originally Posted by Blankton

My air floor on a quicksilver has a patch the opposite side of the floor. I thought it was a wear or reinforcement patch rather than where the valve was fitted - but either way, they do seem to exist.

Seems to me that your ego may be getting the better of you my friend. Some 'once in a blue moon' patch thing exists - so your premise has validation. If you download the #24 photo and enlarge, it is clearly a plastic air valve. If so I guess the strapped boards would be to accommodate a fuel tank or the like. Just my opinion. No disrespect. I find keeping an open mind throughout life is so much more enlightening.

[Steve509926]

Originally Posted by Island

Seems to me that your ego may be getting the better of you my friend

Good going, 3rd post and start offending people!

If you look at this thread it will give you a idea of where the keelboards are fitted, albeit I have redesigned my keelboard.

https://www.rib.net/forum/f50/airdec...ign-87561.html

I honestly don't see how you can see a Boston valve in pic #24 no matter how big you enlarge it.

[Island]

Originally Posted by Steve509926

Good going, 3rd post and start offending people!

If you look at this thread it will give you a idea of where the keelboards are fitted, albeit I have redesigned my keelboard.

https://www.rib.net/forum/f50/airdec...ign-87561.html

I honestly don't see how you can see a Boston valve in pic #24 no matter how big you enlarge it.

One can't offend someone, However one can chose to feel offended by something - That's one's choice, we do have a choice. Once I learned that I stopped being offended by anyone, anything. My inflatable floor inquiry has been answered now, I'll un-join the forum now. Cheers!

[Blankton]

Originally Posted by Island

Seems to me that your ego may be getting the better of you my friend. Some 'once in a blue moon' patch thing exists - so your premise has validation. If you download the #24 photo and enlarge, it is clearly a plastic air valve. If so I guess the strapped boards would be to accommodate a fuel tank or the like. Just my opinion. No disrespect. I find keeping an open mind throughout life is so much more enlightening.

I'm not sure what you mean about my ego. I was just stating the condition of an air floor sib that I own. I hadn't been involved in any of the prior discussion. Maybe you've got me mixed up with someone else.
I have no relationship with either party, although your passive aggressive use of "my friend" has not endeared yourself to me!

[Pikey Dave]

Originally Posted by Island

…. I'll un-join the forum now. Cheers!

Close the window on your way out…

[Island]

Originally Posted by Blankton

I'm not sure what you mean about my ego. I was just stating the condition of an air floor sib that I own. I hadn't been involved in any of the prior discussion. Maybe you've got me mixed up with someone else.
I have no relationship with either party, although your passive aggressive use of "my friend" has not endeared yourself to me!

Hi Blankdon, Thanks for your response , Yes you are absolutely right, I got confused regarding the responses to my original post, I thought I was solely communicating with Steve. This Forum is new to me. My Bad. absolutely no aggression here. Me very passive. Maybe I'm just not best communicator, I probably should not communicate what I think, unfiltered. All Good. Didn't intend to upset anyone - Used to be a Pommie myself - understand reaction here, been an short but interesting incite for me. ThanX. Not sure how to un - join this forum tho, I'll work it out - Happy life to all. S.

[Fenlander]

Sorry I missed the brief bun fight.

I'd have expected more resilience from an Aussie... chucking the towel in after just two hours. Island refers to others having closed minds... pot kettle and all that.

The pics from posts 22 & 24 are taken from the Saturn website where the are a series of images. Another from that website I've pasted in below has the air floor flipped over so you see its topside where the support board hanging *under* is just visible and importantly the floor air valve is very clearly visible on the right side which of course is opposite the "patch" seen on the underside where the air floor is upside down in the image that started this dispute.

There is always a patch or difference in look or a bulge that seems like a patch on HP air floors opposite (underside) to the actual valve. Simple reason being the drop stitching cannot be present (or at least not joined) for a matching diameter to the valve.

My "once in a blue moon" evidence is from owning 6 air floor SIBs over 13yrs and every one was just like this or a variant of the same look.

Hope that adds some clarity.

[Steve509926]

Originally Posted by Island

Hi Blankdon, Thanks for your response , Yes you are absolutely right, I got confused regarding the responses to my original post, I thought I was solely communicating with Steve. This Forum is new to me. My Bad. absolutely no aggression here. Me very passive. Maybe I'm just not best communicator, I probably should not communicate what I think, unfiltered. All Good. Didn't intend to upset anyone - Used to be a Pommie myself - understand reaction here, been an short but interesting incite for me. ThanX. Not sure how to un - join this forum tho, I'll work it out - Happy life to all. S..

I don't really understand where my ego came into this, especially after you thanked me for the prompt response.

And as for this forum being new to you............... Hmmmmm, you soon got the hang of the "quote" tab, but no matter.

Use to be a "pommie" myself, really? What self respecting English man would call himself a "pommie"!

I'm sure if you asked a friendly moderator they will gladly assist you on how to unsubscribe from Ribnet.

[Steve509926]

Originally Posted by Fenlander

There is always a patch or difference in look or a bulge that seems like a patch on HP air floors opposite (underside) to the actual valve. Simple reason being the drop stitching cannot be present (or at least not joined) for a matching diameter to the valve.

Hi Mr F, how's the kitchen coming on?

I thought it was the patch to cover the hole where the valve was fitted through but your explanation about the drop stitching makes perfect sense.

[Pikey Dave]

Originally Posted by Island

Hi Blankdon, Thanks for your response , Yes you are absolutely right, I got confused regarding the responses to my original post, I thought I was solely communicating with Steve. This Forum is new to me. My Bad. absolutely no aggression here. Me very passive. Maybe I'm just not best communicator, I probably should not communicate what I think, unfiltered. All Good. Didn't intend to upset anyone - Used to be a Pommie myself - understand reaction here, been an short but interesting incite for me. ThanX. Not sure how to un - join this forum tho, I'll work it out - Happy life to all. S.

You still here? I thought you’d flounced off back to suffolk OZ. BTW you keep some strange hours, you working nights?

[Island]

Originally Posted by Fenlander

Sorry I missed the brief bun fight.

I'd have expected more resilience from an Aussie... chucking the towel in after just two hours. Island refers to others having closed minds... pot kettle and all that.

The pics from posts 22 & 24 are taken from the Saturn website where the are a series of images. Another from that website I've pasted in below has the air floor flipped over so you see its topside where the support board hanging *under* is just visible and importantly the floor air valve is very clearly visible on the right side which of course is opposite the "patch" seen on the underside where the air floor is upside down in the image that started this dispute.

There is always a patch or difference in look or a bulge that seems like a patch on HP air floors opposite (underside) to the actual valve. Simple reason being the drop stitching cannot be present (or at least not joined) for a matching diameter to the valve.

My "once in a blue moon" evidence is from owning 6 air floor SIBs over 13yrs and every one was just like this or a variant of the same look.

Hope that adds some clarity.

Appreciate your contribution Fenlander, great input, makes perfect sense that opposite the valve there is irregularity due to internal stitching has no place opposite to hold on to. That's my experience too. My original comment related to the photo in post #24 where it appeared to me that it depicted a 3 dimensional, uniform circular plastic obtrusion that looked very much like an Air valve common to the PVC dinghies. I've attached a photo of what I have often seen opposite of the air valve. More like an nonuniform bulge. I guess some manufacturers (Saturn) could install some circular, plastic disc opposite the vale which would then explain my misconception of the #24 photo. Thank you all for your inputs.

[Island]

Ha! yes, not on Croydon hours any more! working late in FNQ

[Steve509926]

Originally Posted by Island

Ha! yes, not on Croydon hours any more! working late in FNQ

Surely you mean working nights in FNQ, you posted that at 03.17am!

When I was new to the forum it took me a while to be able to post pictures, you must be a quick learner

I've also noticed your command of the English language between #51 and #56 has greatly improved.

[Island]

Originally Posted by Steve509926

Surely you mean working nights in FNQ, you posted that at 03.17am!

When I was new to the forum it took me a while to be able to post pictures, you must be a quick learner

I've also noticed your command of the English language between #51 and #56 has greatly improved.

Hi Steve, Yes, - It's 4am my time - About time for me to hit the sack - Never seen this forum before tonight, I've been recently looking for an air floor for my Avon ( the original plastic rollup is to heavy and too much hassle) I'm getting a custom size quote from china. Just happened upon this site during google search air floors. Nice to engage with you all. Just hit the biq 'Quote button" thought that was how to reply . Thanks for the inputs.

[Fenlander]

>>>Hi Mr F, how's the kitchen coming on?

Thanks for asking. It's been a slow job due to working around 91yr old mum but nearly there, just a third of the tiling to finish then new flooring and fit the cabinet plinths. Hopefully family demands will allow a bit more floating about on salt water in 2023... soon going to check the Aerotec to ensure the mice haven't had their way with it then bring the OB out of its slumber.