Pro wave 3.8 design category.

bmb779 · 08 January 2016, 17:58

Hi, does anyone know the design category rating for a Prowave 3.8 airdeck.
Don't seem to be able to upload their website. Thanks.

dave3235 · 08 January 2016, 18:06

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Originally Posted by bmb779

Hi, does anyone know the design category rating for a Prowave 3.8 airdeck.
Don't seem to be able to upload their website. Thanks.

What do you mean design category could be C

The Gurnard · 08 January 2016, 18:44

Hi BMB779

If you don’t get the info you are looking for..try PM a guy called Blootac.

He is a member here and I think also over on Fribs. I was on a SIB outing with him..and he had a Prowave 3.8.. this is him in his boat. Im sure he will help if he is still around.

I think I recall him saying it was the exact same as the Honwave 3.8 ..there was Honwave 3.8 at the outing too and they compared. But I may be wrong in picking things up..as I wasnt paying too much attention.. so check yourself if you can.

Some folks say rating categories are meaningless anyhoo. It certainly looked a good boat to me..from a distance ..and it handled a F4/5 wind against a tide rip..no problem

bmb779 · 08 January 2016, 18:58

thanks Donny, you have answered my Question,there is a 3.8 advertised on the net but seller states that it's not suitable for the sea but I have found it gey near impossible to find out I think they will be the same as the Honwave. What's your view on the Prowave?

The Gurnard · 08 January 2016, 19:36

Hi again.. I zoomed in on Blootac’s boat after you mentioned the seller said it was not suitable for the sea. I wanted to make sure Blootac’s was indeed a Prowave ..this photo proves it is and his engine was a 9.9HP

Here is a photo of him in rough water..so his boat certainly handles the sea well. I wouldn’t have a problem in his boat. His is the boat on the right.. the other boat looks like Kamans..his is a smaller size Honwave with ali floor.

I will be honest and cant say much more than that. Blootac’s boat was no problem..but just in case the boat you are thinking about..is not the same..and cant handle the sea ? .. there is not much more I can add ?

Or perhaps Blootacs would not last long in in conditions like that day..if its not supposed to be there ? You could ask the seller why it cant handle the sea ? Perhaps its a cheaper model..a clone ..faulty floor ..part missing etc. ?

Hope all that makes sense...and why I can offer no further info.

Fenlander · 08 January 2016, 19:37

That Prowave 3.8 airfloor will be fine for the sea and as said above is near identical to a Honwave. If I'm thinking of the right one that you're looking at the outboard is a bit small unless there'll be just be you in it.

The Gurnard · 08 January 2016, 19:45

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T outboard is a bit small unless there'll be just be you in it.

Hi again..Fenlander may have the answer why the seller said it was not fit for the sea ? If its a 2.5hp or something like that.. it wouldnt go fast

Fenlander · 08 January 2016, 19:53

Well the one I saw had the phrase not suited to the sea and was an 8hp... not a disaster but not ideal to make the best of that boat size in difficult conditions if you have some company with you.

jeffstevens763@g · 08 January 2016, 20:33

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Originally Posted by bmb779

Hi, does anyone know the design category rating for a Prowave 3.8 airdeck.
Don't seem to be able to upload their website. Thanks.

bill higham marine sell um on ebay full range list on there probs be cat c

cheers

ShinyShoe · 08 January 2016, 22:01

Ebay ad? says Inland waters not the sea? Being sold with or without engine...

Does inland waters only mean reservoirs, canals and lochs/lakes or does it mean inshore waters? Cat C is inshore waters..

ShinyShoe · 08 January 2016, 22:02

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bill higham marine sell um on ebay full range list on there probs be cat c

cheers

I thought he sells SeaPros?

dave3235 · 08 January 2016, 23:44

+1 on that one

bmb779 · 09 January 2016, 00:30

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Originally Posted by ShinyShoe

Ebay ad? says Inland waters not the sea? Being sold with or without engine...

Does inland waters only mean reservoirs, canals and lochs/lakes or does it mean inshore waters? Cat C is inshore waters..

Category D is inland waters ie canals,non tidal lochs ,sheltered bays.
Category C is coastal waters but not more than 5nm from the coast
Category B is Seagoing
Category A is Ocean going.

Can't make my mind up if it's C or D, can't get a reply from seller.

Fenlander · 09 January 2016, 00:37

If you look at this old Ebay listing for the same model Prowave in one of the images you can hover over the data plate and read it's a Cat C.

PROWAVE INFLATABLE RIB/SIB

Poly · 09 January 2016, 00:43

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Hi, does anyone know the design category rating for a Prowave 3.8 airdeck.
Don't seem to be able to upload their website. Thanks.

The prowave that Gurnard posted the picture of will almost certainly be rated to RCD Cat C. However before you get over excited about that "anyone" can (currently) self-certify a boat as being suitable for Cat C use. In theory Trading Standards can take action if it is nonsense - but not many trading standard officers would know the bow from the stern!

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Originally Posted by ShinyShoe

Ebay ad? says Inland waters not the sea? Being sold with or without engine...

Does inland waters only mean reservoirs, canals and lochs/lakes or does it mean inshore waters? Cat C is inshore waters..

RCD Cat C says: "‘C’ INSHORE: Designed for voyages in coastal waters, large bays, estuaries, lakes and rivers where conditions up to, and including, wind force 6 and significant wave heights up to, and including, 2 m may be experienced."

I've never known a definition of "coastal" that didn't refer to the sea

If its any help - I wouldn't think twice if the Prowave that Gurnard posted a picture of was to appear on this year's proposed Scottish SIB gathering a potential 60 NM round trip in the sea (but for pedants not technically meeting the MCGA definition of "at sea")!

EDIT - if it is this one, I suspect it is just a bit underpowered for use in the sea:
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Pro-wave-i...MAAOSwyQtV3i6j

ShinyShoe · 09 January 2016, 01:30

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RCD Cat C says: "‘C’ INSHORE: Designed for voyages in coastal waters, large bays, estuaries, lakes and rivers where conditions up to, and including, wind force 6 and significant wave heights up to, and including, 2 m may be experienced."

Yeh that was my point... has the ebay poster mixed Inshore and Inland in his posting. Ask an average man on the street if Inshore and Inland Waters are the same I suspect many will say yes...

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I've never known a definition of "coastal" that didn't refer to the sea

Well if you look it up coastal actually is the adjective of coast meaning "of or near a coast" and coast is defined as "land next to the sea"
So coastal waters in my definition at waters near the land next to the sea. I don't think coastal waters are mandatorily the sea. And as Cat B is defined as sea going I think they define sea as beyond the coastal waters ;-) As may well the advertiser.

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If its any help - I wouldn't think twice if the Prowave that Gurnard posted a picture of was to appear on this year's proposed Scottish SIB gathering a potential 60 NM round trip in the sea (but for pedants not technically meeting the MCGA definition of "at sea")!

Well again thats kind of the point - if you look at the RCD definitions as well then does that venture not quite well fit Cat C -?The Firth of Clyde Being a Large Estuary, whereas the Cat B definition is much more open space sounding.
If you look at the MCGA definitions, MCGA-Cat C and D include conditions that would fit with RCD-Cat C. 2m Wave height being key I suspect. So its not 'sea'. Perhaps what we would call 'open sea'

So if the advert said "Only suitable for Inland and Inshore Waters, not suitable for Open Sea" - I suspect we wouldn't be having this thread? And **I** suspect thats what the OP meant... (i.e. cross to France in this at your Peril!)

bmb779 · 09 January 2016, 08:23

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Originally Posted by Poly

The prowave that Gurnard posted the picture of will almost certainly be rated to RCD Cat C. However before you get over excited about that "anyone" can (currently) self-certify a boat as being suitable for Cat C use. In theory Trading Standards can take action if it is nonsense - but not many trading standard officers would know the bow from the stern!

RCD Cat C says: "‘C’ INSHORE: Designed for voyages in coastal waters, large bays, estuaries, lakes and rivers where conditions up to, and including, wind force 6 and significant wave heights up to, and including, 2 m may be experienced."

I've never known a definition of "coastal" that didn't refer to the

If its any help - I wouldn't think twice if the Prowave that Gurnard posted a picture of was to appear on this year's proposed Scottish SIB gathering a potential 60 NM round trip in the sea (but for pedants not technically meeting the MCGA definition of "at sea")!

EDIT - if it is this one, I suspect it is just a bit underpowered for use in the sea:
Pro wave inflateable Rib with Engine | eBay

Yes this is the one but I would only buy the boat and trailer,i would be looking to use the max rated hp outboard.
All I originally wanted to know was,is the Prowave 3.8 HD a C or D rating.

Phil18 · 09 January 2016, 10:07

Hi yes
Only to be used for inland waters, estuaries etc not open sea, i have a prowave 4.2 mtr
Cheers phil

Fenlander · 09 January 2016, 10:26

Phil18 I think you're looking at it like the seller the OP refers to... more careful choice of words needed.

I suspect your Prowave is a Cat C which is Inshore waters (coastal sea) which is different to Inland waters and sheleterd estuaries etc which is a Cat D.

Poly · 09 January 2016, 11:12

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Originally Posted by bmb779

Yes this is the one but I would only buy the boat and trailer,i would be looking to use the max rated hp outboard.
All I originally wanted to know was,is the Prowave 3.8 HD a C or D rating.

OK - it took a bit of hunting but here is what the website used to say (it seems they are no longer around?)

PROWAVE INFLATABLES
All Prowave Inflatable boats are fully compliant CE Category C - Inshore: Designed for voyages in coastal waters, large bays, estuaries, lakes and rivers where conditions up to, and including, wind force 6 and significant wave heights up to, and including, 2m may be experienced.

As I was trying to say last night the categories are a bit of an artificial thing anyway - you'll find 7m RIBs in that category too! The top end of that "cat" is pretty intimidating in a small SIB on your own; but they look very similar to the Honwaves and I'd have no concerns taking one of them out on the West Coast or Firth of Forth - the Honwave guys handled the bigger waves on last year's Belnahua trip well.