Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
 
Old 21 January 2007, 23:55   #1
Member
 
andreworiordan's Avatar
 
Country: Ireland
Boat name: Ocean Escapes
Make: Excalibur
Length: 9m +
Engine: 150Yamaha&300Verado
Join Date: Jan 2007
Posts: 227
Quicksilver 4.30m Heavy Duty...

I am with a small Rescue unit set up in Ireland, We are thinking of buying a Quicksilver 4.30 HD with a 30hp engine, what kind of speeds will it be able to reach, many thanks!
Andrew
__________________
andreworiordan is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 22 January 2007, 09:47   #2
Member
 
tim griffin's Avatar
 
Country: UK - England
Town: Newport IoW
Boat name: Amean/Pronto/Rumbo
Make: Solent Rib Princess
Length: 7m +
Engine: 200hp Etec 260x 2
MMSI: lots of them
Join Date: Sep 2003
Posts: 1,861
Quote:
Originally Posted by andreworiordan View Post
I am with a small Rescue unit set up in Ireland, We are thinking of buying a Quicksilver 4.30 HD with a 30hp engine, what kind of speeds will it be able to reach, many thanks!
Andrew
Have you looked at Achilles SSL385 Ceasar Surf Cat and Avon ERB400 also the Arancia 388 and Gemini Surf GRX 400 and the GRX 420

All can operate well with the engine size you talk about ,as for speeds it depends on how much weight you are carrying and the conditions you are operating in but a 30hp is adequate for IRB work and probably the most popular size , Have you approached any dealers in your area to see if they will discount you as you are a Rescue Unit
Surf Lifesaving Association GB favour the Arancia as do the RNLI Lifeguards .
I would look at the other boats as although the Quicksilver is a good SIB I am not sure if it is as tough as some of the other's mentioned if you can afford it go for a SIB made of Hypolon
__________________
Tim Griffin
RYA Freelance YMI power Powerboat and PWC instructor trainer vhf first aid sea survival Diesel engine radar and navigation instructor
tim griffin is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 22 January 2007, 10:14   #3
Member
 
Country: UK - Wales
Town: Pwllheli-North Wales
Boat name: V-ONE
Make: Highfield
Length: 8m +
Engine: Honda 250hp
Join Date: Mar 2001
Posts: 2,367
Quote:
Originally Posted by andreworiordan View Post
I am with a small Rescue unit set up in Ireland, We are thinking of buying a Quicksilver 4.30 HD with a 30hp engine, what kind of speeds will it be able to reach, many thanks!
Andrew
We had two of these on with a 25hp late 20 knots and a 40hp late 30 knots, great boats, the only thing missing is elphant trunks.

With five year full warranty and under £1000 ex engine they are great.

Jono
__________________
www.waterwise-marine.co.uk
Jono Garton is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 22 January 2007, 10:42   #4
Member
 
Country: UK - England
Town: Bristol
Make: Ribcraft
Length: 5m +
Engine: Yamaha
Join Date: May 2006
Posts: 4,299
i had one of these, it was a great fun boat and took it in to some serious surf, i had a new tohatsu 40 on mine, will u mail pics later, mine did 33 knots WOT you really had to hang on tho!!
__________________
matt h is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 22 January 2007, 11:22   #5
Member
 
tim griffin's Avatar
 
Country: UK - England
Town: Newport IoW
Boat name: Amean/Pronto/Rumbo
Make: Solent Rib Princess
Length: 7m +
Engine: 200hp Etec 260x 2
MMSI: lots of them
Join Date: Sep 2003
Posts: 1,861
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jono Garton View Post
We had two of these on with a 25hp late 20 knots and a 40hp late 30 knots, great boats, the only thing missing is elphant trunks.

With five year full warranty and under £1000 ex engine they are great.

Jono
Check that the warranty will cover rescue work (It may be reduced)
The others I mentioned are designed with this type of use in mind.
__________________
Tim Griffin
RYA Freelance YMI power Powerboat and PWC instructor trainer vhf first aid sea survival Diesel engine radar and navigation instructor
tim griffin is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 22 January 2007, 11:24   #6
Member
 
Country: UK - Wales
Town: Pwllheli-North Wales
Boat name: V-ONE
Make: Highfield
Length: 8m +
Engine: Honda 250hp
Join Date: Mar 2001
Posts: 2,367
Quote:
Originally Posted by tim griffin View Post
Check that the warranty will cover rescue work (It may be reduced)
The others I mentioned are designed with this type of use in mind.
5 Year Commercial Warranty
__________________
www.waterwise-marine.co.uk
Jono Garton is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 22 January 2007, 11:27   #7
Member
 
tim griffin's Avatar
 
Country: UK - England
Town: Newport IoW
Boat name: Amean/Pronto/Rumbo
Make: Solent Rib Princess
Length: 7m +
Engine: 200hp Etec 260x 2
MMSI: lots of them
Join Date: Sep 2003
Posts: 1,861
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jono Garton View Post
5 Year Commercial Warranty
Cheap rig then
I would consider some closed cell foam for the deck and some foot straps.
__________________
Tim Griffin
RYA Freelance YMI power Powerboat and PWC instructor trainer vhf first aid sea survival Diesel engine radar and navigation instructor
tim griffin is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 22 January 2007, 17:52   #8
Member
 
andreworiordan's Avatar
 
Country: Ireland
Boat name: Ocean Escapes
Make: Excalibur
Length: 9m +
Engine: 150Yamaha&300Verado
Join Date: Jan 2007
Posts: 227
thanks for all your replys! I thought the max engine size is 30hp, can it hold a 40hp?
__________________
andreworiordan is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 22 January 2007, 17:58   #9
Member
 
Country: UK - England
Town: Bristol
Make: Ribcraft
Length: 5m +
Engine: Yamaha
Join Date: May 2006
Posts: 4,299
as promised a pic of mine that i used to have last year, the original brochure showed a 40 but with the introduction of the 40 four strokes that were heavier they downgraded to a 30 !! or thats what they told me anyway, it was under the transom weight, went well,
Attached Thumbnails
Click image for larger version

Name:	IMG_6607.jpg
Views:	1145
Size:	57.5 KB
ID:	24452   Click image for larger version

Name:	IMG_6625.jpg
Views:	799
Size:	67.8 KB
ID:	24453   Click image for larger version

Name:	IMG_6796.jpg
Views:	342
Size:	37.2 KB
ID:	24454  
__________________
matt h is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 22 January 2007, 18:32   #10
Member
 
andreworiordan's Avatar
 
Country: Ireland
Boat name: Ocean Escapes
Make: Excalibur
Length: 9m +
Engine: 150Yamaha&300Verado
Join Date: Jan 2007
Posts: 227
so can you put any size engine on (within reason, maybe +/-10hp) as long as its under the max engine weight?
__________________
andreworiordan is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 22 January 2007, 18:40   #11
Member
 
Country: UK - Wales
Town: Pwllheli-North Wales
Boat name: V-ONE
Make: Highfield
Length: 8m +
Engine: Honda 250hp
Join Date: Mar 2001
Posts: 2,367
They do state 30hp now, check with your dealer and insurer to be sure.
__________________
www.waterwise-marine.co.uk
Jono Garton is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 22 January 2007, 23:31   #12
Member
 
Country: Ireland
Town: Galway
Boat name: rockhopper
Make: ballistic
Length: 6m +
Engine: petrol
MMSI: TBC
Join Date: Nov 2006
Posts: 525
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jono Garton View Post
They do state 30hp now, check with your dealer and insurer to be sure.
Yep I would say Jono is right Re Insurance. DO check out the ETEC tho, itis lighter from all the debate on this forum and thus as a rescue craft increases your power to weight ratio if you have to make pick ups.
You do not say (unless I missed it) what you need it exactly for, I am guessing a a dingy sailing school. If so and for example (I know there afew members who do this and can guide better than I. I have seen what they do in the thread, "ok so who are we" or something like that. I will search for it if you need me to), then you will need towing power at low revs to trail half dozen dingys home in calm etc.
I am sure the no service needed will be most useful for three years.
__________________
Aidan is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 22 January 2007, 23:47   #13
Member
 
andreworiordan's Avatar
 
Country: Ireland
Boat name: Ocean Escapes
Make: Excalibur
Length: 9m +
Engine: 150Yamaha&300Verado
Join Date: Jan 2007
Posts: 227
The boat will be used as a Rescue/Recovery craft in the River Lee in cork out towards and in the harbour, i have seen pics with a 40hp on her, if she can handle it thats what i'd like, is it that if the engine is under its max weight evn if its a 30/40hp you can put her on...

it says max engine weight is 80kgs and max engine is 30hp, if i find a 40hp under 80kgs can i put it on? will it not be too powerfull for the boat?
__________________
Andrew O'Riordan
andreworiordan is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 23 January 2007, 00:14   #14
Member
 
Country: Canada
Town: British Columbia
Make: Gemini
Length: 4m +
Engine: 40hp 2 str
Join Date: Oct 2003
Posts: 2,151
Quote:
Originally Posted by Aidan View Post
Yep I would say Jono is right Re Insurance. DO check out the ETEC tho, itis lighter from all the debate on this forum and thus as a rescue craft increases your power to weight ratio if you have to make pick ups.
Has Evinrude introduced a 30 hp ETEC ??? I thought the lowest powered ETEC was 40 hp (which weighs about 235 lbs).
__________________
prairie tuber is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 23 January 2007, 00:18   #15
Member
 
Country: Ireland
Town: Galway
Boat name: rockhopper
Make: ballistic
Length: 6m +
Engine: petrol
MMSI: TBC
Join Date: Nov 2006
Posts: 525
Beautiful City, Charming and Pretty!

Quote:
Originally Posted by andreworiordan View Post
The boat will be used as a Rescue/Recovery craft in the River Lee in cork out towards and in the harbour, i have seen pics with a 40hp on her, if she can handle it thats what i'd like, is it that if the engine is under its max weight evn if its a 30/40hp you can put her on...

it says max engine weight is 80kgs and max engine is 30hp, if i find a 40hp under 80kgs can i put it on? will it not be too powerfull for the boat?
Just check ETEC 40 as atached
http://www.brp.com/en-GB/Products/Ev...oductID=ETEC40
I think it may be too heavy.
It must be for support to the Rowing Clubs is it. I trained with them along time ago (LEE Rowing Club). Cork, The Capital of Europe......
Glod Bless All Cork People, oh and the rest too.
__________________
Aidan is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 23 January 2007, 00:19   #16
Member
 
Country: Ireland
Town: Galway
Boat name: rockhopper
Make: ballistic
Length: 6m +
Engine: petrol
MMSI: TBC
Join Date: Nov 2006
Posts: 525
Quote:
Originally Posted by prairie tuber View Post
Has Evinrude introduced a 30 hp ETEC ??? I thought the lowest powered ETEC was 40 hp (which weighs about 235 lbs).
Right again PT, Just testing!!!! (thanks!)

Just checked. 105-109 KGS YEP around the 245 mark.
__________________
Aidan is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 23 January 2007, 03:28   #17
Member
 
Country: Canada
Town: Winnipeg
Make: Gemini Dive 470
Length: 4m +
Engine: Yamaha 40 2str
Join Date: Oct 2006
Posts: 33
If those 40 - 60 hp ETECs were anywhere close to the weight of equally powered carbed 2 strokes (or even a 4 stroke Honda, for that matter), I'd be all over them like ugly on an ape.
__________________
TubrOnCrakberry is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 23 January 2007, 10:30   #18
Member
 
Country: UK - England
Town: Ilfracombe
Boat name: Ceasar P850
Make: Ceasar
Length: 8m +
Engine: Twin Honda 225s
Join Date: Sep 2006
Posts: 10
Ceasar Surfcat

I have attached some photos of the Ceasar Surfcat. This is being used widely in the Southern Hemisphere as a rescue craft. We recommended a maximum of a 50HP Tohatsu until the new laws came in. However, I do know that one of our dealers in the South West has a second hand one which is shown in the photos. If you are interested please contact them on +44(0) 1271 863066 or duncan.thompson@mullacottmarine.com. I have also attached the price sheet for a new one if you were interested. If you want any further information then please let us know.
Attached Thumbnails
Click image for larger version

Name:	ceasar_surfcat7.jpg
Views:	401
Size:	36.0 KB
ID:	24482   Click image for larger version

Name:	ceasar_surfcat2.jpg
Views:	317
Size:	68.3 KB
ID:	24483   Click image for larger version

Name:	ceasar_surfcat6.jpg
Views:	582
Size:	62.3 KB
ID:	24484   Click image for larger version

Name:	ceasar_surfcat3.jpg
Views:	345
Size:	60.2 KB
ID:	24485  
Attached Files
File Type: pdf Ceasar Surfcat Price Sheet.pdf (237.7 KB, 348 views)
__________________
ceasar is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 23 January 2007, 12:33   #19
Member
 
Ian M's Avatar
 
Country: UK - England
Town: New Milton
Boat name: Jianna
Make: Osprey
Length: 6m +
Engine: 200 E-TEC
MMSI: 235076954
Join Date: Sep 2004
Posts: 1,940
I had a 430 HD with a 30 Merc on the back. I have driven quite a few SIBs as a diver, and I would not go near the Quicksilver as a rescue boat. They have a tendancy to fold at the bow, just where you need the strength, if the tubes are not absolutely fully inflated. In my opinion the stringers are not carried far enough forward, and the aluminium floor boards on mine had some very questionable sharp edges that really have no place on an inflatable boat. Engine size - I found the 30 plenty scarry enough on such a light boat. Also given the requirements of a safety boat, I would go for one with hypalon tubes as others have mentioned here. Just my opinion
__________________
Ian

Dust creation specialist
Ian M is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 23 January 2007, 13:47   #20
Member
 
Country: Canada
Town: British Columbia
Make: Gemini
Length: 4m +
Engine: 40hp 2 str
Join Date: Oct 2003
Posts: 2,151
Ceasar,

Are the Surfcats available in PVC only, or is hypalon also an option (realizing there would a peformance loss with hypalon)? Those Surfcats look sharp, I would imagine the hull design is very efficient

Another hull that is similar to this is the Gemini Surf. They are available in either PVC or hypalon in either the standard 4.2 m or 4.0 lengths or in a specialised 3.8 m rescue version that uses hypalon only.

http://education.lifesaving.com.au/t...g%20Manual.pdf

You could probably even be able to specify heavy hypalon (Oca 866 - 1670 dtx), or double skinned PVC the 4.2 m model.


http://www.racing-inflatables.com/surf.htm
__________________
prairie tuber is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off




All times are GMT. The time now is 02:20.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.