Sea safe - Page 2

jeffstevens763@g · 27 February 2019, 10:10

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Originally Posted by Cumbria

Is the sib i am getting 2 small. I am sure could go a bit bigger before I pick it up

2 adults and 1 kid

3.5m +

Limecc · 27 February 2019, 10:12

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Originally Posted by Fenlander

>>>20hp is the same weight and size yet only a little more expensive.

It's a devil isn't it. Cumbria comes on here with a good idea what he wants and we're starting mission creep adding £400 to the sib cost and now toying with £350 more on the OB!

Absolutely. I think there are different 'sweet' combinations. 3.2m/10hp or 3.8m/20hp and then start trailering with a RIB like us, 4.2m/30 or 40hp.

As always being 'sea-safe' depends primarily on having safety kit, watching the forecast and being situationally aware of hazards such as overfalls. More important than the craft methinks.

jeffstevens763@g · 27 February 2019, 10:15

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Originally Posted by Fenlander

>>>20hp is the same weight and size yet only a little more expensive.

It's a devil isn't it. Cumbria comes on here with a good idea what he wants and we're starting mission creep adding £400 to the sib cost and now toying with £350 more on the OB!

your totally right David but he would lose £750 if he wanted to upgrade finding the rig wasnt enough for his needs i think we have all done that thats why these threads go through this process IMO better to advise now from our experience

Cumbria · 27 February 2019, 10:16

Lol agree . Just bit worried it's to small. Happy to go a little bigger can't change 15hp ordered

Cumbria · 27 February 2019, 10:27

All appreciated

Cumbria · 27 February 2019, 10:28

Ordered 30 but trying to go to 32 or 38 but will see . Can't change ob it's coming from Honda ordered and supplier would be stuck

Limecc · 27 February 2019, 10:30

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Originally Posted by Cumbria

Ordered 30 but trying to go to 32 or 38 but will see . Can't change ob it's coming from Honda ordered and supplier would be stuck

It's only postage they are not losing a sale
It just goes back unboxed to Honda UK's warehouse. They sell them every week!

Gazzago · 27 February 2019, 10:33

Don’t let them bully you into a sale mate. You can just say no. But I appreciate you’re trying to do the right thing by them.

Fenlander · 27 February 2019, 10:48

In truth while it might be nice to go to a 20hp if chosing a 3.8m at least the 15 is a totally suitable OB for all the sizes you are looking at so a solid choice. And if I was paying a Honwave dealer £2200+ for an OB I'd be pretty miffed if they wouldn't let me upgrade the sib.

Limecc · 27 February 2019, 10:50

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Originally Posted by Fenlander

In truth while it might be nice to go to a 20hp if chosing a 3.8m at least the 15 is a totally suitable OB for all the sizes you are looking at so a solid choice. And if I was paying a Honwave dealer £2200+ for an OB I'd be pretty miffed if they wouldn't let me upgrade the sib.

15hp won't pull a towable toy.

Fenlander · 27 February 2019, 10:58

I'm not sure Cumbria wanted to... but some 15hp/sib combos will tow...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RNYf4u7AjXE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZPizSzX8eXs

chipko · 27 February 2019, 11:12

Whilst I appreciate 20 would be better, the 15 will be very similar. Ok lacking 5hp, but it’s the same block and probably develops similar torque to the 20.

Agree with upgrading to a T38 though if possible with dealer. Engine wise perhaps not so critical.

jeffstevens763@g · 27 February 2019, 12:19

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Originally Posted by chipko

Whilst I appreciate 20 would be better, the 15 will be very similar. Ok lacking 5hp, but it’s the same block and probably develops similar torque to the 20.

Agree with upgrading to a T38 though if possible with dealer. Engine wise perhaps not so critical.

i agree if an upgrade not possible i dont know but there might be an upgrade to the engine carb wise if it is carbed engine

Max... · 27 February 2019, 12:24

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Originally Posted by Limecc

15hp won't pull a towable toy.

Depends on the toy! You can have a lot of fun with a 15.

http://www.rib.net/forum/f50/watersk...tec-69883.html

OP - check the 'Which SIB' and the 'what to carry' stickies above too. Written exactly for potential new buyers like you.

In a nutshell though dozens of us have been through all the various combos and generally come down to a 3.4 to 3.8m airfloor with a 15 or so as the defecto manageable, usable, do anything, cope with UK seas and 1 to 3 people rig. If you can handle the hassle/weight/transport then a solid floor is a step up.

You can even mono if light enough!

jeffstevens763@g · 27 February 2019, 12:31

worth a look

https://rnli.org/safety/choose-your-...oating#summary

http://www.rib.net/forum/f50/inflata...aqs-75094.html

Limecc · 27 February 2019, 12:49

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Originally Posted by chipko

Whilst I appreciate 20 would be better, the 15 will be very similar. Ok lacking 5hp, but it’s the same block and probably develops similar torque to the 20.

Agree with upgrading to a T38 though if possible with dealer. Engine wise perhaps not so critical.

I think you are right about torque being important Chipko and the videos from Fenlander are really informative. That having been said I'd still try to change the order as the 15 is not even delivered or unboxed yet. Poor show if they wouldn't oblige.

Mikefule · 27 February 2019, 15:03

I've had 3 SIBs, all with wooden floors and I've found that assembling them isn't too difficult.

My current SIB is 3.1 metres with a 9.9 outboard. It will plane with 2 small adults, and, in flat conditions, with 3.

My wife and son and I have had enjoyable river trips creeping up hidden backwaters, anchoring, picnicking and swimming.

In the same boat, my wife and I have done a bit of cove hopping, anchoring and swimming.

A previous boat was around 3.3 to 3.4 metres (I can't recall) and was good for 2 adults with full diving gear. Indeed, we once had 3 adults with dive gear, out on the sea on the south coast of England, but it was a bit hairy and we did take on green water at least once.

The general rule of SIBs is that smaller ones are always better for the 360 days of the year they're in the garage, and bigger ones are always better once they're launched. Everyone finds a sweet spot.

There is no obligation to go fast. In fact, on a choppy sea, going fast can be uncomfortable. You could consider a slightly bigger hull and a smaller engine, and take it steady. An outboard that does not need a remote tank (say 6hp?) will be cheaper, easier to carry, take up less space, and still push you at sensible speeds. I've spent whole days on a SIB pushed by a 3hp and had just as much fun as when I had a 15 — just different fun.

chipko · 27 February 2019, 15:08

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Originally Posted by Limecc

That having been said I'd still try to change the order as the 15 is not even delivered or unboxed yet. Poor show if they wouldn't oblige.

Depends if boat and motor are purchased from same dealer.
If so, and motor not already pdi’d and registered then yes, why not. After all your buying a bigger boat which is rated for a larger motor, and your spending more money. What’s not to like for the dealer.

Cumbria · 28 February 2019, 07:10

Gone for a 32

Fenlander · 28 February 2019, 09:50

Despite many of us leaning towards the T38 can't see you'll go wrong with the T32. It's that bit bigger than the 3.0AE you first considered and I think you'll appreciate the easier setup process with the air floor. 14" extra interior length over the 30AE may not sound much but at these sizes it makes a big difference... and the near 300lbs extra load carrying ability gives a bit more in reserve.

Had you decided to pair the T32 with an 8hp and then found the SIB too small so upgrading to a T32/38 then you would have needed to upgrade the OB too losing a fair bit. But in buying the 15hp now you are future proofed up to a 3.8m. And if after a few trips you decided a T38 was needed after all the Honwaves are such value new and well regarded used the upgrade would only be a modest cost.

I'm not sure you've said where you intend to launch at the coast? Carrying everything in the car I assume and setting up each trip? Did you buy the matching transom wheels with the T32?