Sib anchor

[beamishken]

If a small boat owner is unfortunate enough to snag his anchor tackle whilst using a floating rope & needs to cut it then presumably hes going to retrieve as much as he can so its virtually straight up & down, when he drops it the chain will take down probably 3m of the rope even if it's high tide that leaves maybe 1 mtr to float at the surface at low tide working on a 4m range which obviously varies. He could also weight the end to take it safely to the bottom.

This is all very unlikely because the incidence of lost anchors is fairly rare & would usually be the result of either inexperience or incorrect tackle for the circumstances.

Like I said to the op polyprop isnt ideal but if it's all the budget will stand then it will serve its purpose

[Fenlander]

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[D4V33]

Cheers Gurnard, I’ve seen YouTube videos in the past showing people attaching the chain at the opposite end. I’ll do the same.

40m nylon rope arrived today. Just need to splice the end and get it all put together and make a bridle for the bow.

[The Gurnard]

You wont regret it D4V33.. especially if you like to fish at anchor.

Another reason most folk don't use polypropylene rope is when conditions turns calm and tides change direction.. your boat can drift above your anchor ..you then have 4 or 5 times the water depth of floating rope on the surface which can be a pain to unwrap from your prop leg if it gets there.

So its good you are researching other places for your best setup.. a place often overlooked is your local RNLI centre. In my area they are always practising their skills at the Falls of Lora and are always happy to discuss boating related topics.

My main anchor setup is a 2kg plough anchor.. same as yours but without the hinge on the shaft

Another tip you may or may not be interested in is how I store the rope.

I use a electric extension cable reel which I pulled out our local dump. It holds 45 -50 meters of rope (obviously take off the electric lead)

Saves folks with soft hand pulling up the anchor as I just turn the handle.. keeps the rope tidy too.. The reel is plastic so wont rust..the frame is slowly rusting on mine but that's after 10 years of good use.. and it was totally free.

I tried to get a photo of the reel uploaded but the img host site I use is down at the moment.. google 45m electric extension cable if you want to see one ..but Im sure you know the thing.


Good luck with your boat and thanks for the feedback.. much appreciated..as it was hard work getting my info across to you

[beamishken]

When we fished rough ground around the north east coast we used home made grapple anchors with tines made from rebar so if they got stuck we could pull the tines straight & bend them back to shape once recovered. Still did the trip at the shank eye which is a very common method & generaly works well. Probably the only scenario where a grapple anchor has a benefit over the likes of bruce delta or the modern designs like rocna

[Fenlander]

Thanks for adding that extra info for D4V33.

As I mentioned above being daily outing leisure type sibbers we never use the anchor as part of a plan for the day and in some 15yrs of sibbing have never suffered an emergency where it's been needed. It takes up space and adds weight to the kit but it's an insurance policy I won't lapse.

[The Gurnard]

Im only too happy to help folks asking genuine questions Fenlander. I know there are lots of folks use floating rope.. and Im not against that ..some will never change and its not my right to tell folks what to use ..However some use it because they are not aware of the pros and cons.

That was the only reason I posted my reply as I think forums like Ribnet should promote or make folk aware of good practice. Or at least have the pros and cons pointed out

Thanks for cleaning up the mess that transpired .. that was appreciated too.. sadly it highlights why I seldom come here as I knew exactly what was going to happen and wondered if it was worth posting my initial post

If you come back to scotland and in my area ... give a shout as Im always happy to meet up

[Fenlander]

No problem Donny. Some may not see it that way but all the current team is trying to do is offer a level playing field for useful information and its associated chat to be offered up without fear of impolite challenge or confrontation.

[willk]

Originally Posted by The Gurnard

Thanks for cleaning up the mess that transpired .. that was appreciated too.. sadly it highlights why I seldom come here as I knew exactly what was going to happen and wondered if it was worth posting my initial post

Thinking before posting is always a good starting point and you always struck me as the thoughtful sort. That is why I was surprised to find myself removing a number of your posts, due to your immoderate comments and tone of your replies to what was otherwise a simple difference of opinion. I point this out because once "the mess" was sorted by Fenlander, the lack of visible evidence might allow one party to claim to be the victim.

[Matt68]

Originally Posted by beamishken

When we fished rough ground around the north east coast we used home made grapple anchors with tines made from rebar so if they got stuck we could pull the tines straight & bend them back to shape once recovered. Still did the trip at the shank eye which is a very common method & generaly works well. Probably the only scenario where a grapple anchor has a benefit over the likes of bruce delta or the modern designs like rocna

I'm relativly new to Sibbing but had a fair few years kayak fishing on a 15.5ft kayak, the grapple anchor was a blessing for that reason, I used a very thin tie wrap so it didn't take much force to trip if it got a bit stuck on stones or rocks, you didn't have the leverage on a kayak obviously and you couldn't motor to pull out, only paddle around and pull from another direction, but people have capsized pulling on stuck anchors.

I'm using the same 1.5kg grapple anchor on my 3.8m sib now, but just extended the chain by another meter, still only 2m of chain but seems to hold okay in tide where I fish.

[beamishken]

Originally Posted by Matt68

I'm relativly new to Sibbing but had a fair few years kayak fishing on a 15.5ft kayak, the grapple anchor was a blessing for that reason, I used a very thin tie wrap so it didn't take much force to trip if it got a bit stuck on stones or rocks, you didn't have the leverage on a kayak obviously and you couldn't motor to pull out, only paddle around and pull from another direction, but people have capsized pulling on stuck anchors.

I'm using the same 1.5kg grapple anchor on my 3.8m sib now, but just extended the chain by another meter, still only 2m of chain but seems to hold okay in tide where I fish.

Yeh its probably the best option for rough ground, they have a reputation for poor holding & dragging but if your fishing it's no great deal if you drag, you can always retrace and reset obviously it's a bigger problem in a small boat if it gets stuck, trying to pull from different directions is about the best you can do with limited size & power. Even with a light trip on the shank the likes of delta & bruce with their wide crowns can get snagged in crevices even upside down. We carry a folding grapple in our smaller rib purely for emergencies or if we want a lunch stop aboard or want to fish certainly wouldnt leave the boat unattended but it's easy to stow & in an emergency will slow the rate of drift even if it doesnt hold.
They get a poor rep but they have their place.

[Peter_C]

Has anyone successfully tied a knot into poly line with a knot they trust? Poly is slippery. The three strand line is better than the braided. Three strand poly, black with an orange tracer, is what we used to tie loads onto the trucks. I don't use braided poly line for my scuba tank leashes anymore for fear of my kit drifting off. Now I use 1" tubular webbing with a bungee cord sewn inside, and bolt snaps sewn onto each end, so I don't have to worry about my kit sinking or floating off.

I personally would never use the zip tie trip trick for releasing my anchor, but I leave my boat unattended at anchor and need it to be there when I get back. If loosing an anchor is a huge loss, and the anchor coming loose is not of consequence, then it might make sense.

Three times now I have seen an anchor so fouled they required diving on them. Once accidentally hooked into a ship wreck it is impossible to free. The rocks on our coast are great at grabbing chain and wedging them solid, including old schooner chain...and so my hobby of always looking for anchors and chain goes on. Usually we find the chain first, and follow it back to the anchor.

[Matt68]

Originally Posted by beamishken

Yeh its probably the best option for rough ground, they have a reputation for poor holding & dragging but if your fishing it's no great deal if you drag, you can always retrace and reset obviously it's a bigger problem in a small boat if it gets stuck, trying to pull from different directions is about the best you can do with limited size & power. Even with a light trip on the shank the likes of delta & bruce with their wide crowns can get snagged in crevices even upside down. We carry a folding grapple in our smaller rib purely for emergencies or if we want a lunch stop aboard or want to fish certainly wouldnt leave the boat unattended but it's easy to stow & in an emergency will slow the rate of drift even if it doesnt hold.
They get a poor rep but they have their place.

Thanks for the info, just another question if that's okay, and sorry if I'm hijacking the OP's thread ��

I know anchoring is based on many factors, but although I tend to hold ground okay when I fish from my local Sea and generally anchor around 35ft, do you think it's worth getting a longer chain? My current chain is only 2m of 6mm but maybe it wouldn't hold say if I was in deeper water with a stronger tide run, thinking more emergency than fishing here ��

My secret up is a Honwave T38 and Tohatsu 9.8 four stroke outboard, I sometimes take the Wife with me and fishing gear of course, maybe 2m of chain is enough for a Sib?

[willk]

Originally Posted by Matt68

and sorry if I'm hijacking the OP's thread

I think this thread is already anchored off the coast of Somalialand

The rule of thumb is one meter of chain per meter of boat. That's for 'real' anchoring. There are different bodies of opinion about the role of chain in holding. It could be argued that many small craft have chain more to prevent lines chafing on rocks etc. 6mm is good heavy chain, so IMHO for general attended anchoring, you'll be fine. Lots of anchor line is very important. Past experience suggests that it takes very little to hold a SIB in the conditions a SIB is likely to experience.

[Matt68]

Originally Posted by willk

I think this thread is already anchored off the coast of Somalialand

The rule of thumb is one meter of chain per meter of boat. That's for 'real' anchoring. There are different bodies of opinion about the role of chain in holding. It could be argued that many small craft have chain more to prevent lines chafing on rocks etc. 6mm is good heavy chain, so IMHO for general attended anchoring, you'll be fine. Lots of anchor line is very important. Past experience suggests that it takes very little to hold a SIB in the conditions a SIB is likely to experience.

Thanks, I thought I bought pop the questions here rather than starting another anchor thread, and putting extra rope out is my exact plan, as stated I normally anchor around 35ft, and put double out, my rope is only 100ft so I may as well put it all out, I do carry an extra length for when I'm in Scotland though, but never anchored in Scotland as i normally lure fish on the drift, but good for an emergency... That's if it works.

[D4V33]

Many thanks for all taking the time to reply to this thread. It’s much appreciated. More information than I had anticipated

I missed an opportunity to get out on the water yesterday. Weather forecast the night before was rubbish so made other plans. Drove past the beach at lunch time and the water was flat calm. I usually only see conditions like this when I’m driving to work

[beamishken]

Originally Posted by Peter_C

Has anyone successfully tied a knot into poly line with a knot they trust? Poly is slippery. The three strand line is better than the braided. Three strand poly, black with an orange tracer, is what we used to tie loads onto the trucks. I don't use braided poly line for my scuba tank leashes anymore for fear of my kit drifting off. Now I use 1" tubular webbing with a bungee cord sewn inside, and bolt snaps sewn onto each end, so I don't have to worry about my kit sinking or floating off.

I personally would never use the zip tie trip trick for releasing my anchor, but I leave my boat unattended at anchor and need it to be there when I get back. If loosing an anchor is a huge loss, and the anchor coming loose is not of consequence, then it might make sense.

Three times now I have seen an anchor so fouled they required diving on them. Once accidentally hooked into a ship wreck it is impossible to free. The rocks on our coast are great at grabbing chain and wedging them solid, including old schooner chain...and so my hobby of always looking for anchors and chain goes on. Usually we find the chain first, and follow it back to the anchor.

I worked in the oil industry for a lot of years & sent loads of stuff down to divers, everything had to be tied off in baskets & have lanyards fitted everything was secured with polyprop, we either spliced it or if in a hurry a bowline & untwist the 3 strands just above the knot & slip the free end of the bow line in the gap & allow the 3 strand to close up, never came loose even with the cheapest slippiest rope imaginable

[jonp]

I got put onto Cooper anchors from a commercial navy diver and rib owner. I was so impressed with the one I got for my daughter's 5m rib that I bought a second one as a backup anchor for when I head on remote trips in the top end of Australia. My boat weighs just over 1 ton.

Quite literally this thing pulls into the bottom so hard in just its own length that the only way to get it out is to pull from directly above. Both our boats have the 1.5kg largest anchor which hold fast in wind and heavy seas. To top it off they are plastic so don't leave rust in the boat and are far kinder on rib tubes. I also get away using far less anchor line with these anchors though I still retain 5m of chain.

Check out some of the YouTube tests using them.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JWnsm1kaEuo&t=1s

[Fatalbert]

I know this is yet another opinion…but..!

It’s not the cheapest solution, but might be worth having a look at leaded line as an option. Saves you having to link in a chain and swivels etc and stops it clattering around all over the place when you’re shifting. Also, I don’t think it gets stuck on rocks as frequently as the chain on my slightly more sturdy set up (with chain).

It’s a really easy set up to use for what our American friends would call a ‘lunch hook’. If I’m planning to anchor overnight, I’ve got a heavier set-up, but that’s realistically once a year, so the lunch hook gets the majority of use.

[jonp]

Originally Posted by Fatalbert

I know this is yet another opinion…but..!

It’s not the cheapest solution, but might be worth having a look at leaded line as an option. Saves you having to link in a chain and swivels etc and stops it clattering around all over the place when you’re shifting. Also, I don’t think it gets stuck on rocks as frequently as the chain on my slightly more sturdy set up (with chain).

It’s a really easy set up to use for what our American friends would call a ‘lunch hook’. If I’m planning to anchor overnight, I’ve got a heavier set-up, but that’s realistically once a year, so the lunch hook gets the majority of use.

Most people here use chain guard, which you can buy in various colours. It makes pulling chain and shackles over tubes pretty safe. Not sure on the eBay stuff if it's the same but it's pretty cheap on there.