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23 October 2017, 21:18
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Thick PVC material for under tubes and floor
Does anyone know where I can buy this material or what is it called, its the black ridged material on the bottom of this boat, I need to add this to the bottom of my SIB for swallow waters and rocks.
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23 October 2017, 21:26
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It's cheap rubstrake material.
Technically, you could use any vinyl / PVC type extrusion you wanted. Just be cautious, it is not always very stable from a plastics perspective. It may sweat plasticizers earlier or not be UV stable:
https://www.americanfloormats.com/co...l-runner-mats/
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23 October 2017, 22:11
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Quote:
Originally Posted by office888
It's cheap rubstrake material.
Technically, you could use any vinyl / PVC type extrusion you wanted. Just be cautious, it is not always very stable from a plastics perspective. It may sweat plasticizers earlier or not be UV stable:
https://www.americanfloormats.com/co...l-runner-mats/
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Thanks for the info, I have seen this at hardware stores in rolls, never thought it was that material, can it be glued the same with PVC glue or should I use a different glue.
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24 October 2017, 13:25
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Originally Posted by jackreno
Thanks for the info, I have seen this at hardware stores in rolls, never thought it was that material, can it be glued the same with PVC glue or should I use a different glue.
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It needs to be a thermoform plastic to be bondable.
Cut a sample and dip it in a jar of MEK.
If MEK turns it in to goo in a few minutes, then you can use two-part PVC type adhesive to bond it.
As said, the worry is the stability of the material. It may not be designed with UV exposure, bonding, or water/pollution exposure in mind.
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24 October 2017, 13:33
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I've always thought boats and rocks don't mix - maybe you could save the trouble and avoid the rocks.
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24 October 2017, 14:22
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Quote:
Originally Posted by charliee
I've always thought boats and rocks don't mix - maybe you could save the trouble and avoid the rocks.
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We don't learn here, in the US of A...instead, we design boats around it sometimes.
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24 October 2017, 17:21
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Quote:
Originally Posted by office888
It needs to be a thermoform plastic to be bondable.
Cut a sample and dip it in a jar of MEK.
If MEK turns it in to goo in a few minutes, then you can use two-part PVC type adhesive to bond it.
As said, the worry is the stability of the material. It may not be designed with UV exposure, bonding, or water/pollution exposure in mind.
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Thanks again, I bought a small roll at Home Depot and going to test it out in the sun and test it with MEK, seems really strong, have seen these on floors and outside over the years and they do hold up well with foot traffic.
My winter project is applying a extra layer under my new Black Bombard Commando C-4, installing 2 seats one rear and one forward, forward seat will have steering and throttle and my outboard might be the Mercury 60/40 hp jet.
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24 October 2017, 17:25
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Quote:
Originally Posted by charliee
I've always thought boats and rocks don't mix - maybe you could save the trouble and avoid the rocks.
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Yes I will be avoiding rocks and stumps but when boating in swallow waters it does have a few bumps here and there at times.
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24 October 2017, 22:08
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I had my excel vanguard done with this holds up really well
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24 October 2017, 22:33
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Quote:
Originally Posted by office888
It needs to be a thermoform plastic to be bondable.
Cut a sample and dip it in a jar of MEK.
If MEK turns it in to goo in a few minutes, then you can use two-part PVC type adhesive to bond it.
As said, the worry is the stability of the material. It may not be designed with UV exposure, bonding, or water/pollution exposure in mind.
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Well I got some material at Home Depot and took a small piece and let it soak in toluene and than took another piece put it in MEK, it held together well in toluene but in MEK it started to melt in less than a minute and was able to rip in half with ease after 3 minutes, so I guess its good for gluing with 2 part PVC glue.
The toluene soaking was to see how it held up in chemicals and it held together well was just a little soft.
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24 October 2017, 22:56
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Highland Haggis
I had my excel vanguard done with this holds up really well
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That's good to know, how long has been under your boat, did you have the whole bottom done or just the tubes.
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25 October 2017, 00:22
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Quote:
Originally Posted by jackreno
Well I got some material at Home Depot and took a small piece and let it soak in toluene and than took another piece put it in MEK, it held together well in toluene but in MEK it started to melt in less than a minute and was able to rip in half with ease after 3 minutes, so I guess its good for gluing with 2 part PVC glue.
The toluene soaking was to see how it held up in chemicals and it held together well was just a little soft.
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Toluene is like gasoline. It comes from the methyl benzene family.
It'll strip plasticizers, but it generally won't render a plastic in to goo immediately.
MEK will melt all thermoform plastics.
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25 October 2017, 07:07
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I’ve had it on about a year and still holding strong it’s really good for beaches will have it on all my sibs from now on
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