Vandals have caused big problem, need help

[phillnjack]

Hello Guys
A few of you know that i sold my avon to friend a year or so back.
He has had a few problems that we have overcome, mostly by reading stuff on this forum.

Recently he got a bad cut in the boat , and we have now got the right glue and just need to put the patch on.

But now some dirty little rotter has vandalised his garden adn thrown white Hammerite paint all over the place.
The avon has taken a lot of the paint, it was turned upside down so the underneath hull has a load on it and some of the sides as well.

Now ive been intouch with the makers of hammerite and they can only say that hammerite thinners might get some of the paint off but have no idea if the Hypalon would or could be damaged in the process.

Now i know this is very unusual, but if anybody knows what we could use to get the hammerite paint off without doing the rubber material any harm we would be very gratefull.

The boat was dirty before the paint got chucked on it so that might be a blessing.

we know its hammerite as the tin is still in the garden, along with a load more paint.

i think about 1/4 litre of paint has gone on and around the boat.

any help or ideas please let us know asap.
we dont know if the chemical reaction of the hammerite will destroy the Hypalon ??????



phill.....

[Chris]

I would try some hypalon glue thinner as this wont damage the hypalon and may dissolve the paint. Keep it away from glued joints though

Worth testing this theory of course. !

[falcon0310]

no get out there now you can use acitone aswell just wash it off afterwards hope this helps

[Chris]

Originally Posted by falcon0310

no get out there now you can use acitone aswell just wash it off afterwards hope this helps

Yes definately worth a go. Not sure if acetone will do much to the hammerite but certainly easier to try than the thinners.

[Into The Blue]

Hammerite uses Xylene as its solvent. Same family as toluene so it might work.

The Hammerite thinners are very expensive but even that might not work once the paint has cured.
Best bet is paint stripper but be very careful what you use it on, not sure but it might just melt hypalon.

[beamishken]

Standard cellulose thinners should do it just stay away from the glued joints get it from a motor factors not a diy shop anywhare that sells automotive paint should do

I ran a body shop untill recently & we used it for any vandle damaged vehicles we got in just get plenty on a rag & hold it onto the splashes to give the thinners time to soften the paint & cchange the rags once they are saturated with paint

the sooner you get to it the better as hamerite dries very slowly

[beamishken]

definately would not use paint stripper it melts windscreen rubbers so I guess it will melt hypalon too

[Bigmuz7]

Originally Posted by Into The Blue

Hammerite uses Xylene as its solvent. Same family as toluene so it might work

I am not convinced about your statements chemically

Xylene will act as a solvent for many things

Originally Posted by beamishken

Standard cellulose thinners should do it just stay away from the glued joints get it from a motor factors not a diy shop anywhare that sells automotive paint should do

I ran a body shop untill recently & we used it for any vandle damaged vehicles we got in just get plenty on a rag & hold it onto the splashes to give the thinners time to soften the paint & cchange the rags once they are saturated with paint

the sooner you get to it the better as hamerite dries very slowly

^^ I agree with this however on all counts

[Crusher]

I have found alot of hammerite paint is solublewith petrol. Certainlyworth a try on yours

[Poly]

Originally Posted by Bigmuz7

I am not convinced about your statements chemically

Xylene will act as a solvent for many things

According to the MSDS for Hammerite paint the solvent in the tin is Naptha - which is consistent with "petrol" being a possible choice. Their 'thinners' is roughly 50:50 acetone and naptha - so again acetone would not be a bad choice.

Xylene and toluene ARE chemically similar, although you could probably write an interesting (to me!) page on whether they are actually in the same "family" - however as a rule of thumb, if it dissolves in one it will dissolve in the other; and is also likely to dissolve in petrol too...

[Bigmuz7]

Originally Posted by Poly

According to the MSDS for Hammerite paint the solvent in the tin is Naptha - which is consistent with "petrol" being a possible choice. Their 'thinners' is roughly 50:50 acetone and naptha - so again acetone would not be a bad choice.

Xylene and toluene ARE chemically similar, although you could probably write an interesting (to me!) page on whether they are actually in the same "family" - however as a rule of thumb, if it dissolves in one it will dissolve in the other; and is also likely to dissolve in petrol too...

Ah .. ok .. knew toluene was a benzene ring .. just googled xylene doh ..I forget..since a studied it at high school 30 years ago

[Bigmuz7]

Originally Posted by Poly

According to the MSDS

Interesting site

[jezza2011]

Dont suppose a good jet wash would do it.

[Poly]

I guess the obvious question is - is it insured? If it is get it to someone like RIBShop who can either fix it or will help value the repair/replacement cost.

OH, and if its been damaged twice in the same place - probably best to find it a new home.

[m chappelow]

I had an Avon boat they had white enamel paint on the underside ,
most of that came off after being daubed in decorators Sugar soap that you can get cheap from any DIY shop , I left it soaking under a sponge full for a few hours ,
Some use it for graffiti removal from buildings .

As was said Acetone ( nail varnish remover) may shift it works on most paints .
Just wondering if it he hammertites gone really hard that it may just peel off a rubber flexible surface .

[Pikey Dave]

I'd be tempted to let it cure & peel it off. Hammerite is a hard setting paint reinforced with glass, once cured it's very brittle. Assuming it's just been thrown onto the surface & not worked in, it should come off. Look at it this way, if you'd used it as tube paint, you'd soon be complaining that the stuff is cr4p

[Maximus]

Originally Posted by Poly

I guess the obvious question is - is it insured? If it is get it to someone like RIBShop who can either fix it or will help value the repair/replacement cost.

OH, and if its been damaged twice in the same place - probably best to find it a new home.

Maybe Locking the Stable Door..But I would definately be moveing it too! Should be able to get it off...just a matter of testing small area's with everything sugested,and anything else you can think of..I would Back the Petrol sugested already if it's not gone too hard.Failing that leaving it Like Pikey said..and peeling it off..if you've used a Protector-Conditioner it'll make life easyer.
I'd also think about who you could have Pissed off!..,obviously a Low life Looser who's not man enough to Face up
Good luck either way

[kerny]

Originally Posted by Pikey Dave

Look at it this way, if you'd used it as tube paint, you'd soon be complaining that the stuff is cr4p

Eee by Gum Pikey ... you do have a way with words

[treerat]

Why not buy some more hammerite, throw around on the non splatted bits and have a one off paint JOB

[phillnjack]

Thanks for all suggestions, will give it a try tommorow or monday if it stops raining.
We do know who done it, someone who got drunk next door and thought it funny to throw paint around.
He didnt think it funny when police took him away.
Its in a back garden,normaly safe from scum who do this sort of thing.

The idiot was drunk , but no excuse, there is lots of stuff damaged by the paint including a 140hp johnson, a few kiddies garden toys, and the patio dont look too clever now.

But will take onboard all suggestions and see what we can do.
The sides are more the important bits, the underneath i think will be the easier part to clean.

thanks for everyones help on this, strange topic.


phill