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09 July 2011, 13:16
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I'm guessing then that a small pony bottle would keep her topped up for a good while
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It would work very nicely, Karl is bound to have an old one lying around somewhere.
You could tape up the PRVs and paint it with some white gloss though?
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09 July 2011, 13:43
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Originally Posted by martini
I'm guessing then that a small pony bottle would keep her topped up for a good while
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3 litres at 232BAR = 700 litres/24.5Cu.ft approx. Not a huge amount of air but I've noticed when filling that the tubes take a while to fill (i.e. 1BAR) and the final pressure is achieved very quickly thereafter.
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09 July 2011, 19:08
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Thanks to the input here I have revisited the Pelicase and managed (without removing anything) to add a PVC survival bag, some wire and electrical connectors and a diver's slate and attached pencil. Just the couple of tools to go and I'm done.
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I'm not as space restricted as you (nor do I need to remove everything every time the boat comes out) but my typical day out is not dissimilar. Rather than Peliboxes I used two of tesco's (or similar) solid plastic "lunch" boxes (prob 2L each?). One holds tools, bits and bobs, small bits of rope, tape, cable ties etc. The other holds my mini rocket flares, first aid kit, compass, spare batteries and AA adaptor for VHF (my gps and torch also take AAs), spare kill cord, an extra knife (there is one in the tool box). I try not to open this box - as of course you take stuff out and it doesn't get restocked. There should be a small "Bothy Bag" (KISU) in there too which is much more effective than a plastic survival bag in my experience - and has room for 2-3 people... ...but I 'borrowed it' for a trip on land months ago and forgot to put it back.
The tool box gets opened frequently. The clear boxes are quite good for finding small stuff at the bottom.
Apart from all your "blowy up boat stuff" that I don't need to carry - I don't bother with the fuel primer bulb or EAR mask, but I understand why you might want them (is it possible to use gravity to feed your engine - even if a bit awkwardly to get ashore?). Perhaps a smaller "Faceshield" rather than a full mask would be easier to pack? Resuscitation Face Shield Without Mouthpiece - Foil Wrapped - MS First
The one thing I don't carry but keep thinking I should is a spare prop and prop spanner. Probably with the spare prop on the transom like an RNLI D-class?
Do you have pre-mix or do you always top up the oil before you go out? The yamaha goes into limp home mode if it gets low on oil (it still has at least an hour left at that point) - so I carry spare oil and funnel (as well as spare fuel) which all takes up quite a bit of space.
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09 July 2011, 22:06
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As promised yesterday,
1st pic basic kit ,
Flares ,Folding bucket, Sea anchor drouge, spare prop, Throw bag,First aid kit and pocket resusitator,monocular ,Torch and combined strobe light, Vhf Radio , Compass that fits in bracket on sponson , knife .
2nd pic Extended kit ,
Man overboard recovery strop and blocks,, Headtorch, Nav lights white allaround - Red /Green bi light with spare batterys, radar reflector , fire extiguisher , Survival bag , inflatable bouy , spare compass, fog horn , chart .
3rd pic ,,Engine tool kit and spares ,
Wd 40 spray smallest can,Fuel bulb,spare plugs and correct feeler guage , gaffer tape wrapped around red container ,spare kill cord , box with odd screws nuts /bolt /washers and pipe for sleeving fuel hose /sand paper /hacksaw blade ,.,insulating tape, rubber tube , tools ,decent spanner, Spare impeller,wood bung,,long nose pliers that i find usefull for getting into tight areas that normal pliers wont let you .
4th pic Anchor box ,
5th pic
and i wasent joking about the Rocket line and basket stretcher ,,lol.
regards to all ,mart.
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09 July 2011, 22:51
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Thanks for the pics Mart - that's an impressive list of stuff! Exactly how big is the SIB?
I presume that the stretcher is for carrying all the kit on?
I like the line thrower... I wonder could one be modified to deliver a more intimidating package?
I'm thinking about jetskis
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10 July 2011, 07:23
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Polwart
I carry spare oil and funnel (as well as spare fuel) which all takes up quite a bit of space.
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One of the gearbox oil bottles with the extending snout spout would save you the need for two funnels perhaps?
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10 July 2011, 07:27
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Originally Posted by Polwart
Perhaps a smaller "Faceshield" rather than a full mask would be easier to pack?
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The larger ones come into their own if you end up doing CPR for a prolonged periods, since there is no upper limit at which you stop being able to comfortably keep up the good work for a few minutes longer could make all the difference.
The plastic sheet type end up getting in the way before too long, whereas the larger version has elastic to go round the back of the casualty's head and they can also take a balloon and oxygen if available.
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11 July 2011, 00:29
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Originally Posted by willk
Thanks for the pics Mart - that's an impressive list of stuff! Exactly how big is the SIB?
I presume that the stretcher is for carrying all the kit on?
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Hi wilk , Boat is 3.5 metre long ,
Stretcher,s for the wife so i can get her home after a night out ,,lol,
mart
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11 July 2011, 01:14
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Originally Posted by Channel Ribs
One of the gearbox oil bottles with the extending snout spout would save you the need for two funnels perhaps?
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Not on a sib, but a useful space saver I guess-I keep a half litre coke bottle precharged with the right amount of oil for a tankful of premix. A drink bottle with the bottom cut off with a knife makes for a handy impromptu funnel as well-and I've always got a bottle of Lucozade onboard as it's a good boost if I'm getting fatigued in rough weather.
I also carry one of these waterproof tubes of these glucose tablets in my flare pack for the same reason. If someone throws up they get tired very fast on a totally empty stomach-even if they aren't feeling ill afterwards.
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11 July 2011, 07:58
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Originally Posted by Nos4r2
I also carry one of these waterproof tubes of glucose tablets in my flare pack for the same reason.
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I have similar for the same reason, but mine are branded Royal Marine Commandos.
I did have some "not for civvies" Yorky bars, but some skate scoffed the lot!
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11 July 2011, 08:10
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Just came across this thread, it is excellent. I keep the gear in a trapezoid shaped polyethylene box which fits nicely up against the bow. Inside of it I have a smaller pelican box for the items that absolutely have to stay dry. Here is a thread with some pictures of this setup:
http://www.rib.net/forum/f50/recentl...ies-36730.html
For me at least one spare prop is essential (2 is better). I also keep a full spare fuel line that is ready to go, if needed.
A couple of items that have been useful to me (that I keep in this box) that I don't think have been mentioned earlier in this thread include:
An extra liter of 2 stroke oil. I've often come across locations where I can re-fill the jerry cans with gasoline but they don't have 2 stroke oil available.
A small sylnylon tarp (~8'x10') weighs next to nothing (12 oz) and scrunches up into a tiny package (11" x 3" diameter). A shaped tarp such as the Kifaru ParaHootch & ParaTarp can easily be a lifesaver if one needs to make an unexpected landing and needs to get out of the elements. It is also easy to set up so it could be rapidly clipped to and erected on the boat (use a boat grab hook for the center pole & clip tarp base to the lifelines of the tubes) to minimize spray while in rough conditions.
As mentioned earlier by Mart, is to make sure you also have some basic on land survival gear such in case you need to make an unexpected landing and may need to remain there for a while. A completely reliable fire starting device such as a ferrocerium rod (fire steel) and no brainer tinder (such as cotton balls in petroleum jelly) would be one such essential.
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11 July 2011, 12:17
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As Martini- mart,, said earlier in the thread a lot depends on which area you are operating in ,
prairie tuber out in the wilderness will need different kit to say myself that operates from a busy commercial estury ,,not much call for a bear gun on the North yorks coast ,,unless passing stathes or whitby that is ,,,sorry chewy :0 only joking,
On the serious side though ,someone perhaps say just having a 5 mile run along the coast and thinking that they dont need a load of kit because they are keeping close inshore and not going more than a few hundred metres out maybe ok in some areas ,but doing the same along a coastline with high sheer cliffs right down to the sea and no safe way of beaching or gaining access to the top might as well be 5 miles out to sea if something goes wrong .
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11 July 2011, 23:04
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...but doing the same along a coastline with high sheer cliffs right down to the sea and no safe way of beaching or gaining access to the top might as well be 5 miles out to sea if something goes wrong .
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I get that...
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12 July 2011, 08:39
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I get that...
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Where was the photo taken willk?
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12 July 2011, 09:02
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Willk, I would be tempted to move everything needed to attract attention into one of those waterproof bum-bags (something like one of these; Waterproof Waist Pack ). Just make sure you get one big enough to hold your flares, gps, signalling mirror, divers torch etc. This would free up some space in your main case and ensure you have everything you need on you in-case the worst happens and you and the boat part company.
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12 July 2011, 10:41
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Where was the photo taken willk?
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Knockalla, Fanad, Donegal
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Originally Posted by Siochair
Willk, I would be tempted to move everything needed to attract attention into one of those waterproof bum-bags
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I tend to wear my immersion suit. In/on it are my VHF, PLB (GPS and LED equipped), mobile (ina waterproof bag) and a whistle. If I'm out later in the day, I carry the torch too. All items on lanyards.
I'm not gonna bump up and down all day on a bag of pyrotechics...
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12 July 2011, 15:26
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This thread really got me thinking as I don't really carry a lot of kit in my SIB, just spare spark plug engine tool kit, food and drink water proof clothing, rope and a rope swim ladder
I'm feel bad now that I dont even carry a pump,anchor, flares or radio although I am a fair weather Siber
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12 July 2011, 15:29
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Been a lurker for some time and always found the forum a good read been SIBing for about 14 years now had a 2 years with a Rib but enjoy the launch anywere of a SIB and not towing a trailer
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12 July 2011, 16:51
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I'm feel bad now that I dont even carry a pump,anchor, flares or radio although I am a fair weather Siber
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Its good that the thread is making you think about what is needed/essential. As mentioned further up not everything that everybody carries is 'essential' for everyone else. It will depend where you go - if like Willk you are remote, difficult to get ashore, possibly unlikely to see another boat for hours etc then you need to be more self reliant that if you are sailing the solent in the middle of summer...
that said some way of getting help would be wise and unless you are very confident about mobile phone reception and keeping a phone charged and dry all day then a VHF seems the sensible choice - for about £80. Flares are expensive, but of course if you need them then they will seem like great value at the time. A pump will only be really useful if you have a way of patching holes. But the anchor would be my first purchase in your shoes. Stop you blowing onto a rocky lee shore, or blowing out to sea if the engine dies. Let you hold the boat still when trying to fix the engine, or grab a peaceful sarnie, or persuade some mackrel to bite, or keep the boat afloat whilst you wade ashore... all mean its much more than just a safety device.
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13 July 2011, 11:53
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if like Willk you are remote, difficult to get ashore,
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Harsh words P, a little distant maybe
Admittedly, Mrs willk insists that I can be difficult to get ashore. Late one last night - the torch was very much in the pocket!
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