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24 September 2018, 16:17
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2 stroke or 4 stroke
which is better for rib cruising. or does it matter ?
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24 September 2018, 16:43
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Country: UK - England
Town: South Yorks
Boat name: Black Pig
Make: Ribcraft
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Engine: DF140a
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Originally Posted by crui05
which is better for rib cruising. or does it matter ?
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Hang on, I’ll just get comfy. Don’t start without me[emoji6]
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24 September 2018, 16:43
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Generally speaking if only cruising then diesel !
2 strokes - slightly lighter than most 4 strokes, simpler to maintain, more grunt and acceleration from the get go, noisier than most 4 strokes, thirsty in terms of petrol and oil. and dont like spending alot of time going very slow.
4 strokes - quiet, sophisticated, slightly heavier than 2 strokes, more complicated than 2 strokes, better fuel economy generally.
having said that the most modern 2 strokes are much better than older 2 strokes in terms of emissions and fuel economy.
so im not sure I have any answer for you.
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24 September 2018, 20:59
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Country: UK - Channel Islands
Town: Jersey
Boat name: Jazcabel
Make: Ballistic
Length: 7m +
Engine: Petrol 150
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Better get some popcorn, this is gonna go on for a while ��
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24 September 2018, 21:02
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Pikey Dave
"Hang on, I’ll just get comfy. Don’t start without me..."
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I know that quote!
Don Juan?
Casanova?
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24 September 2018, 21:03
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Quote:
Originally Posted by crui05
which is better for rib cruising. or does it matter ?
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Time to mark that Zodiac up and sell it on....
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24 September 2018, 22:09
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Country: UK - England
Town: South Yorks
Boat name: Black Pig
Make: Ribcraft
Length: 5m +
Engine: DF140a
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Quote:
Originally Posted by willk
I know that quote!
Don Juan?
Casanova?
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Brokeback Mountain [emoji23]
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24 September 2018, 22:40
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Country: UK - Scotland
Town: Denny
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Going to put the kettle on.............
Details?
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24 September 2018, 22:43
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Very few two stroke motor bikes these days, don't know of any two stroke cars. This side of the pond I would say 80-90% of boats are 4 stroke. Maritime, marine rescue, water police, house hire boats, comercial fishing boats etc all use 4 strokes here. https://www.boatsales.com.au/editori...e-2018-111436/
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25 September 2018, 05:48
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Member
Country: UK - England
Town: South Yorks
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Make: Ribcraft
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Originally Posted by jonp
Very few two stroke motor bikes these days, don't know of any two stroke cars. This side of the pond I would say 80-90% of boats are 4 stroke. Maritime, marine rescue, water police, house hire boats, comercial fishing boats etc all use 4 strokes here. https://www.boatsales.com.au/editori...e-2018-111436/
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Is that because they are “ better”? & if so better for whom, the consumer, manufacturers, dealers? Modern 2 strokes are generally lighter, easier ( cheaper) to maintain, better power:weight, higher torque ( better hole shot) than 4 strokes. On paper 2s are a much better option for marine use than 4s, so why the demise? Clever marketing, lack of dealer support (dealers make MUCH more money servicing 4strokes), consumer ignorance (2 strokes are illegal.....aren’t they??), environmental concerns (modern 2 strokes are as clean if not cleaner than 4s, especially when you take the disposal of used engine oil into account)
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25 September 2018, 09:02
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Country: UK - Scotland
Town: Acharacle
Boat name: Iolar
Make: Redbay
Length: 6m +
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Originally Posted by Pikey Dave
Is that because they are “ better”? & if so better for whom, the consumer, manufacturers, dealers? Modern 2 strokes are generally lighter, easier ( cheaper) to maintain, better power:weight, higher torque ( better hole shot) than 4 strokes. On paper 2s are a much better option for marine use than 4s, so why the demise? Clever marketing, lack of dealer support (dealers make MUCH more money servicing 4strokes), consumer ignorance (2 strokes are illegal.....aren’t they??), environmental concerns (modern 2 strokes are as clean if not cleaner than 4s, especially when you take the disposal of used engine oil into account)
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Hang on... have you bought a 2 stroke Dave?
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25 September 2018, 09:21
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Member
Country: UK - England
Town: South Yorks
Boat name: Black Pig
Make: Ribcraft
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Originally Posted by Dan Gurney
Hang on... have you bought a 2 stroke Dave?
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Nope, fell for the hype & bought a 4s. It’s already cost more in servicing in 3 years than my twin Etecs cost in 6.[emoji849] hey ho!
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25 September 2018, 09:25
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Country: UK - Scotland
Town: Acharacle
Boat name: Iolar
Make: Redbay
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Engine: Suzuki DF175
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Pikey Dave
Nope, fell for the hype & bought a 4s. It’s already cost more in servicing in 3 years than my twin Etecs cost in 6.[emoji849] hey ho!
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Ahhh, that rare exception to the the-thing-i-just-bought-is-the-best-ever rule. [emoji51]
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25 September 2018, 09:28
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Country: UK - England
Town: South Yorks
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Make: Ribcraft
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Dan Gurney
Ahhh, that rare exception to the the-thing-i-just-bought-is-the-best-ever rule. [emoji51]
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Aye! I tell it as it is[emoji57]
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25 September 2018, 09:50
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Pikey Dave
Aye! I tell it as it is[emoji57]
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Best way [emoji108]
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25 September 2018, 10:29
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Country: UK - England
Town: Retford
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some interesting points below OMO 4 stroke for me had both so been in both camps with ribs, sibs, cabin boats & dories had a ride in a rib with a diesel outboard years ago [crap]
2- Vs. 4-Cycle Outboard Motors - In-Fisherman
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25 September 2018, 12:16
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Pikey Dave
Nope, fell for the hype & bought a 4s. It’s already cost more in servicing in 3 years than my twin Etecs cost in 6.[emoji849] hey ho!
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Careful Dave people might get the impression Yorkshire Folk just like a good Moan
I'm afraid You were always gonna miss those 90 horses on a New Boat less than a meter shorter and a much deeper V Hull Mate.
....But surly If it's THAT Bad... why suffer?
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25 September 2018, 13:43
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Town: St pete beach
Boat name: Nautica
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Short answer 4 stroke my opinion
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25 September 2018, 13:58
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Town: StPetersburg Russia
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Make: Scorpion 8.6m
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5 years long distance with 2 stroke [emoji12]
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25 September 2018, 15:47
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Member
Country: UK - England
Town: South Yorks
Boat name: Black Pig
Make: Ribcraft
Length: 5m +
Engine: DF140a
MMSI: 235111389
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Maximus
Careful Dave people might get the impression Yorkshire Folk just like a good Moan
I'm afraid You were always gonna miss those 90 horses on a New Boat less than a meter shorter and a much deeper V Hull Mate.
....But surly If it's THAT Bad... why suffer?
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You know me, only happy when I’m miserable.
I’ve seriously considered swapping the engine, even got clearance from Mrs PD to do so “as long as it made me happy”...... I thought that was a big ask[emoji6]
I suppose after having a 585 with a 175 DI 2 stroke & a 6.4 with twin 115 Etecs, my expectations were maybe too high of the DF140. After jiggling about with props & engine height, I think I’m probably getting the best out of it, I just miss the grunt & kick in the pants you get with a 2 stroke.
I would still maintain that the mechanical simplicity of 2 strokes suits the marine environment better that 4s, but that’s just my opinion fwiw.
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