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29 August 2010, 04:30
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Originally Posted by John Kennett
Leave the kill cord connected to you. That way if you're not at the controls, then engine will be off. Easy!
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I know that's the best logic but as polwart said, I'm often about the boat, especially when wakeboarding. Sometimes I dart to the back of the boat to lift the tow line, or grab a jacket before it blows overboard etc. Always an excuse I suppose.
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29 August 2010, 15:58
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It looks like the the kill cord was found wrapped around the steering column, there is some more info here:
http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/UK-...15708275?f=rss
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29 August 2010, 16:04
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Town: Mighty Penryn
Boat name: Little Joe.
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Originally Posted by whisper
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So maybe he was wearing a kill chord.
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29 August 2010, 16:35
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Country: UK - England
Town: bristol
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Make: zodiac 340s
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We were at Pentewan last week and watched this whole thing happen as we were coming in they were going out with the ringo being held by some people in the water behind the boat then the engine was started completely out of the water and reved up three or four times before being lowered into the water.Then the Dory went out at full speed to were we had just been just minutes earlier (tide half way in calm sea) 2 mins later a man came running up to us yelling "the boy has fell out" and we seen the boat spinning round in circles for 5 mins before hitting the rocks and stopping shortly afterwards then a red inflatable brought the two people in 20 seconds later. Hope they are both ok.
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29 August 2010, 16:41
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Country: UK - England
Town: Mighty Penryn
Boat name: Little Joe.
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Originally Posted by astra
We were at Pentewan last week and watched this whole thing happen as we were coming in they were going out with the ringo being held by some people in the water behind the boat then the engine was started completely out of the water and reved up three or four times before being lowered into the water.Then the Dory went out at full speed to were we had just been just minutes earlier (tide half way in calm sea) 2 mins later a man came running up to us yelling "the boy has fell out" and we seen the boat spinning round in circles for 5 mins before hitting the rocks and stopping shortly afterwards then a red inflatable brought the two people in 20 seconds later. Hope they are both ok.
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Are you saying that they were behaving like idiots?
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29 August 2010, 16:43
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Country: UK - England
Town: bristol
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well the engine was started out the water,what is something i would not do
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29 August 2010, 16:50
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Originally Posted by astra
well the engine was started out the water,what is something i would not do
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That can happen by mistake. How would judge their actions after they'd set off?
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29 August 2010, 17:08
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Town: bristol
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29 August 2010, 17:36
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i got back from pentewan friday,i left before it happened but i did see the boat clowning around the day before very close to the bhouys that mark out the bathing area,i hate to think if headed towards the youngsters swimming,i will be going back next year but i would imagine the site would bring in some safety issues
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29 August 2010, 17:48
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Originally Posted by soley1
i got back from pentewan friday,i left before it happened but i did see the boat clowning around the day before very close to the bhouys that mark out the bathing area,i hate to think if headed towards the youngsters swimming,i will be going back next year but i would imagine the site would bring in some safety issues
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I agree,i did not even have to show my insurance,but was told to get a sticker from reception, The beach hut asked if i had a blue sticker which i did not but he said next time show me your insurance.I love the place and will go back next year.
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29 August 2010, 17:54
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Town: bristol
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mollers
That can happen by mistake. How would judge their actions after they'd set off?
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They were going quite quickly as anyone would,like what i would of done, as for the boat hitting the bottom i dont understand that?
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29 August 2010, 17:55
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Country: UK - England
Town: yorkshire
Boat name: little vicky
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Length: 3m +
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Quote:
Originally Posted by astra
well the engine was started out the water,what is something i would not do
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we had this with a novice boater many years ago he ran the engine up on the beach for a few mins before launching until we said you will burn out the impeller ,,he then said in a cocky manor ,you can run it for a few mins like the Rnli boys do when they are comming down the beach with no harm ,,he was a bit miffed when we explained that they have 2 water tanks on each side of the trailer ,
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29 August 2010, 17:57
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Town: Mighty Penryn
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IMV, if the guy was driving like an idiot the previous day, the guys that operate the boat launch on the beach should've refused to launch him. Although Pentewan is a great facility for the camper/boater, Unfortunately, it's also a bit of a magnet for less than responsible first timers.
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30 August 2010, 07:20
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Polwart
so you never leave the console with the engine still running? I mostly adopt your approach - but there are times when I don't want to stop/start the engine.
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I agree. I made the suggestion for HUMBER P4VWL because he said he always wanted to:
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Originally Posted by HUMBER P4VWL
Now we have top mount controls, not side mount with the lock at neutral I worry that an unsuspecting passenger will knock the throttle when I'm letting go of the mooring etc. I start the engine to let it warm up, then faff about with ropes etc It's so hard to remember to turn off the engine everytime i disconnect the kill cord to do something. Though i know i have to.
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30 August 2010, 12:51
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Country: UK - Scotland
Boat name: Wildheart
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Originally Posted by BogMonster
, can we honestly say we religiously check it is working every time? I know I don't - though I do check it semi regularly I found on one occasion it wasn't working due to the key being sticky and not popping out when the clip pulled off, if I had gone over the side that day I could have been in the same situation. I have no idea how long it hadn't been working but possibly for several trips.
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As someone who has had a selection of older (oh, all right, prehistoric! ) machines on the back of various boats, I "religiously" try to test pull it every time since the time I discovered the only way to stop the engine was to pull the fuel line off & wait! Failure of the shorting wire connection in the remotes meant that even the key switch wouldn't turn it off.
On paper it gets checked every time - Reality? Probably gets tested about 1 in every 4 or 5 "major leg" starts.
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30 August 2010, 16:37
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Country: UK - England
Town: Leicester
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Grim reading and I must confess, very easy to over look, "I'll connect my kill cord when we are out the harbour..." etc etc. I've done the move around the boat and accidentally switch the engine off thing too.
I think I'll be thinking about this and changing my ways.
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30 August 2010, 17:38
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Town: Hants
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What about an electronic kill cord, how good are they? This would mean walking aound the boat would be safer and only works if away from the RIB i.e fall over. How quickly do they kill the engine? Soon enough not to be hit by the prop?
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02 September 2010, 09:02
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Country: Norway
Town: Tofte
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Wireless safety?
We use www.coastkey.com. We have proof that it works
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02 September 2010, 09:18
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Member
Country: UK - Wales
Town: N Wales Chester
Boat name: Mr Smith
Make: Humber
Length: 6m +
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Originally Posted by RibRoy
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Looks great. How much are they to supply roughly?
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02 September 2010, 13:41
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Member
Country: UK - Scotland
Town: Glasgow
Boat name: stramash
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Length: 5m +
Engine: Etec 90
Join Date: Feb 2006
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Quote:
Originally Posted by C2 RIBS
How quickly do they kill the engine? Soon enough not to be hit by the prop?
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This would be my question too .. looks like a good idea though
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