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05 June 2012, 19:15
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Country: UK - Wales
Town: N Wales Chester
Boat name: Mr Smith
Make: Humber
Length: 6m +
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Awful broker! - are there really RYA and BMF rules of sale?
I went to a certain marina to view a 5-6m Humber. Exact size I'll keep quiet.
Turned up after a 2hr drive they knew we were doing to be told, they can't find the keys, there's no service history but thats fine as no boats have it. Really?
then saw the lower leg's been resprayed and the trailers rusted all over, wheels and bearings knackered.
Plus the transoms cut away to put a standard length shaft on, not XL. I asked and he said it was factory fit. Looks nothing like any transom I've seen on a Humber, about 2" freeboard!
When I asked if we could do an engine test he stated it was the british marine federation and RYA rules of sale that you agree a price, then pay 10% and then "they" do an engine test for which we pay. If any issues you get your money back.LOL I argued his point until blue in the face and then just walked. Anyone know anything about this practice?
Awful broker, Steer clear. Oh! And he wanted £11k ROFL, a new one with a 75hp and 5yr warranty is £17k
Buzzed back and had a run out for an hour on the strait to calm down and then home again.
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05 June 2012, 19:23
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Country: UK - England
Town: Up Norf
Make: Avon SR4,Tremlett 23
Length: 4m +
Engine: Yam 55, Volvo 200
Join Date: Apr 2007
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I'd post a link to it so we can all ring him!
Sounds like he's making the rules up, I went to test drive a car once and he said I couldn't until I put a deposit down, told him to poke it.
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05 June 2012, 19:25
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Country: UK - England
Town: Wakefield
Boat name: Bouncer
Make: Redbay Stormforce
Length: 6m +
Engine: 2x Honda 100 Hp
MMSI: 235025718
Join Date: Jun 2009
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Sounds like a
to me nothing like my experience at Redbay
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05 June 2012, 19:35
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Country: UK - Wales
Town: N Wales Chester
Boat name: Mr Smith
Make: Humber
Length: 6m +
Join Date: Feb 2009
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I said I'd get the engine tested then talk.
He said he couldn't put under offer while i got the engine tested, until I paid deposit. I said fine, but I'm not giving you a penny until I want it.
He then said I couldn't do the test before paying a deposit as its British Marine Federation rules and also RYA practices of sale, that a deposit is paid before an independent test is done by "them". Then if there is a problem you get it back.
I said I disagreed and hadn't heard of the rules before so would agree to differ. I assume I'm right then?!
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05 June 2012, 19:35
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Country: UK - England
Town: Plymouth
Length: 6m +
Join Date: Mar 2011
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How can you agree a price until you've seen the engine run ? Surely you'll offer dependant on its performance ?
Go on, which marina ? Or at least which county/Town. Give us a clue
Peter @ Boatsandoutboards4sale ~ askboatsandoutboards4sale@sky.com ~ 07930 421007
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05 June 2012, 19:44
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Country: UK - Wales
Town: N Wales Chester
Boat name: Mr Smith
Make: Humber
Length: 6m +
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How can you agree a price until you've seen the engine run ? Surely you'll offer dependant on its performance ?
Go on, which marina ? Or at least which county/Town. Give us a clue
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Agree entirely, awful practice. Certainly couldn't hear it run without keys! LOL
Don't want to get involved in it directly. I have nothing to gain. Glad i accompanied my friend. But want others to be aware of dodgy sales techniques with RYA and BMF thrown in for believability.
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05 June 2012, 19:46
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Country: UK - Scotland
Town: Oban
Boat name: Animal
Make: Bwm
Length: 8m +
Engine: 300hp diesel inboard
Join Date: Jan 2011
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Why not name and shame? These idiots should be made public so everyone can watch out.
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05 June 2012, 19:49
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Country: UK - England
Town: Ashton-under-Lyne Lancs
Boat name: IMOGEN
Make: Air-Craft 5.4
Length: 5m +
Engine: Suzuki df70a
MMSI: 235087492
Join Date: May 2010
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Originally Posted by Animal
Why not name and shame? These idiots should be made public so everyone can watch out.
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05 June 2012, 19:49
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Country: UK - England
Town: Dorset & Hants
Boat name: Streaker/Orange
Make: Avon/Ribcraft
Length: 4m +
Engine: 50Yam/25 Mariner
Join Date: Apr 2007
Posts: 5,551
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Why not name and shame? These idiots should be made public so everyone can watch out.
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I agree 100%. If you had never bought a boat you may assume this was all 'normal'. Its shocking anyone still tries this type of selling nowadays. 
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05 June 2012, 19:52
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Country: UK - England
Town: South Yorks
Boat name: Black Pig
Make: Ribcraft
Length: 5m +
Engine: DF140a
MMSI: 235111389
Join Date: Feb 2008
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Come on Paul, name him. You know you want to & we'll weedle it out of you eventually, so you might as well give in early 
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05 June 2012, 19:54
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Country: USA
Town: Seattle
Boat name: Water Dog
Make: Polaris
Length: 4m +
Engine: Yamaha 60hp
Join Date: Apr 2007
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Its normal to expect an offer and deposit prior to a sea trial. Otherwise everyone would go joy riding and walk away.
But not to merely start an outboard.
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05 June 2012, 20:02
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Country: UK - England
Town: brierley hill
Boat name: rocknrolla
Make: osprey
Length: 7m +
Engine: outboard
Join Date: Aug 2011
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Originally Posted by HUMBER P4VWL
I went to a certain marina to view a 5-6m Humber. Exact size I'll keep quiet.
Turned up after a 2hr drive they knew we were doing to be told, they can't find the keys, there's no service history but thats fine as no boats have it. Really?
then saw the lower leg's been resprayed and the trailers rusted all over, wheels and bearings knackered.
Plus the transoms cut away to put a standard length shaft on, not XL. I asked and he said it was factory fit. Looks nothing like any transom I've seen on a Humber, about 2" freeboard!
When I asked if we could do an engine test he stated it was the british marine federation and RYA rules of sale that you agree a price, then pay 10% and then "they" do an engine test for which we pay. If any issues you get your money back.LOL I argued his point until blue in the face and then just walked. Anyone know anything about this practice?
Awful broker, Steer clear. Oh! And he wanted £11k ROFL, a new one with a 75hp and 5yr warranty is £17k
Buzzed back and had a run out for an hour on the strait to calm down and then home again.
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Looks like u aint the village idiot afta all son 
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05 June 2012, 20:16
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Country: UK - England
Town: Wakefield
Boat name: Bouncer
Make: Redbay Stormforce
Length: 6m +
Engine: 2x Honda 100 Hp
MMSI: 235025718
Join Date: Jun 2009
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05 June 2012, 20:20
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Country: UK - Wales
Town: N Wales Chester
Boat name: Mr Smith
Make: Humber
Length: 6m +
Join Date: Feb 2009
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I have nothing to gain from naming, all to lose from retribution by said broker
I just want new to rib or car purchasers to know this sales technique is bollocks. He even said, these aren't cars mate, they're boats and we have to stick to the rules.
Ironically he'd let me sea trial it prior to agreeing a price, but wouldn't let me plug in to ecu for history on the opti, or do compression test. His "independent" would.
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05 June 2012, 20:21
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Country: UK - Wales
Town: west mids /tywyn
Boat name: HAWK
Make: RIBCRAFT/ Suzuki 250
Length: 7m +
Engine: Tohatsu 3.8/15hpsuzi
MMSI: 235086594
Join Date: Apr 2008
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Originally Posted by HUMBER P4VWL
I have nothing to gain from naming, all to lose from retribution by said broker
I just want new to rib or car purchasers to know this sales technique is bollocks. He even said, these aren't cars mate, they're boats and we have to stick to the rules.
Ironically he'd let me sea trial it prior to agreeing a price, but wouldn't let me or an Independent plug in to ecu for history on the opti, or do compression test. It had to be a guy from the marina... His mate!
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I went to pwllhelli to day 
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05 June 2012, 20:49
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Country: USA
Town: Seattle
Boat name: Water Dog
Make: Polaris
Length: 4m +
Engine: Yamaha 60hp
Join Date: Apr 2007
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Originally Posted by HUMBER P4VWL
I have nothing to gain from naming, all to lose from retribution by said broker
I just want new to rib or car purchasers to know this sales technique is bollocks. He even said, these aren't cars mate, they're boats and we have to stick to the rules.
Ironically he'd let me sea trial it prior to agreeing a price, but wouldn't let me plug in to ecu for history on the opti, or do compression test. His "independent" would.
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Well that's completely BS.
Why are you fearful of retribution???
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05 June 2012, 20:59
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Country: UK - Wales
Town: west mids /tywyn
Boat name: HAWK
Make: RIBCRAFT/ Suzuki 250
Length: 7m +
Engine: Tohatsu 3.8/15hpsuzi
MMSI: 235086594
Join Date: Apr 2008
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Yea the power of Ribnet will look after you HP all you saying is I wouldn't buy from from ......
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05 June 2012, 21:01
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Member
Country: UK - England
Town: Ashton-under-Lyne Lancs
Boat name: IMOGEN
Make: Air-Craft 5.4
Length: 5m +
Engine: Suzuki df70a
MMSI: 235087492
Join Date: May 2010
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Come on spit it out man
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05 June 2012, 21:04
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Country: UK - Wales
Town: N Wales Chester
Boat name: Mr Smith
Make: Humber
Length: 6m +
Join Date: Feb 2009
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Originally Posted by captnjack
Well that's completely BS.
Why are you fearful of retribution???
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Because some people, especially those who have poor sales ethics don't take criticism too well! Even if it's the truth.
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05 June 2012, 21:06
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Member
Country: UK - Wales
Town: west mids /tywyn
Boat name: HAWK
Make: RIBCRAFT/ Suzuki 250
Length: 7m +
Engine: Tohatsu 3.8/15hpsuzi
MMSI: 235086594
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Originally Posted by HUMBER P4VWL
Because some people, especially those who have poor sales ethics don't take criticism too well! Even if it's the truth.
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Fook me it's killing me and I know lol tell them
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