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22 August 2005, 23:20
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Country: Other
Town: Lisbon
Boat name: Hely
Make: Humber Assault 4.5m
Length: 4m +
Engine: Tohatsu 50cv
Join Date: Jul 2005
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Batteries
Can someone give some advice regarding the suitable battery to fit in a rib with a 50hp outboard and GPS/sounder.
Thanks,
Nuno Canteiro
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22 August 2005, 23:24
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Country: UK - England
Town: Devon
Boat name: White Ice
Make: Ranieri
Length: 5m +
Engine: Suzuki 115hp
Join Date: Jul 2002
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Any thing that fits, really! A 50 hp motor shouldn't need too much cranking current, but a "Leisure" battery (ie caravan spec.) should be better than a standard car battery as they are supposed to with stand full discharge better than a car battery which is built cheap, light and for maximum current in short bursts.
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22 August 2005, 23:26
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Member
Country: Other
Town: Lisbon
Boat name: Hely
Make: Humber Assault 4.5m
Length: 4m +
Engine: Tohatsu 50cv
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Sealed ?
Does the battery needs to be a sealed type ?
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23 August 2005, 01:25
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Country: UK - England
Town: Newquay, Cornwall.
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sorry - i dont want to steal the thred but whilst we are on the subject of bateries - has anyone ever had a battery failure out at sea.
does anyone carry backup batteries.
i was thinking of buying one of those small sealed lead acid bateries you can get in maplin if for no other reason than to get the gps and vhf powered back up.
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23 August 2005, 03:58
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Member
Country: UK - Wales
Town: swansea
Boat name: Too Blue
Make: BLANK
Length: 8m +
Engine: Suzuki DT225
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Originally Posted by roycruse
sorry - i dont want to steal the thred but whilst we are on the subject of bateries - has anyone ever had a battery failure out at sea.
does anyone carry backup batteries.
i was thinking of buying one of those small sealed lead acid bateries you can get in maplin if for no other reason than to get the gps and vhf powered back up.
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You may as well go for one of the self contained powerpacks - they are the same price as buying just a battery if you shop around!!!
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23 August 2005, 04:03
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Member
Country: UK - Wales
Town: Southampton
Boat name: DynaMoHumm/ SRV/deja
Make: Avon8.4, 5.4 & 4.777
Length: 8m +
Engine: Cat3126 Yam 90 &70
MMSI: 42
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Do a proper job
why not fit two batteries with a selector switch!
I only fit Maximas to my boats but they are real dear 140 poonds each. the leisure batteries from towsure will do get two 85 amp ones for abot 70 kwid.
I see no point in carting around a powerpack which usually is not butch enough to spin the outboard and is not waterproof or damage reistant
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23 August 2005, 08:06
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Country: UK - England
Town: Looe
Make: Delta
Length: 4m +
Engine: Mercury
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Batteries are pretty important!. Depend what engine you have, Two stroke, Four stroke, DFI. DFI engines need quite alot of power to run the electrics so the engine can fire up. They also can take a few turns of the flywheel to get the compressor to bring the up to the right air pressure. So they will need a good battery on a cold morning.
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23 August 2005, 10:35
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Country: UK - England
Town: St Austell
Make: Ribcraft 5.85m
Length: 5m +
Engine: Twin 60HP Bigfoots
Join Date: Apr 2005
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With twin engines you can do a self jump start, all via just an isolator key.
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23 August 2005, 11:40
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Member
Country: UK - Wales
Town: Southampton
Boat name: DynaMoHumm/ SRV/deja
Make: Avon8.4, 5.4 & 4.777
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providing you have enough grunt in the Battery to start the first one!
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23 August 2005, 22:39
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Country: UK - England
Town: liverpool
Boat name: summer
Make: tornado
Length: 5m +
Engine: 115 yam outboard 2st
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just back from scotland i got one of thows battery pack booster starter £35 halfords my batterys on the blink and ive a 115 hp 2 stoke loads of power turned the engine no probs about 10 times on one charge and still charged my camp light
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23 August 2005, 22:58
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Country: UK - England
Town: Newquay, Cornwall.
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just back from scotland i got one of thows battery pack booster starter £35 halfords my batterys on the blink and ive a 115 hp 2 stoke loads of power turned the engine no probs about 10 times on one charge and still charged my camp light
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I presume you mean you started the engine 10 times - not just turned over 10 revolutions.
it sounds just what im looking for - thanks
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24 August 2005, 10:47
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Member
Country: UK - England
Town: liverpool
Boat name: summer
Make: tornado
Length: 5m +
Engine: 115 yam outboard 2st
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yes the boat battery went flat and wouldnt turn over the engine ,put the jump start onand spun the engine nice and fast .started/ bobs ur uncle done this 10 times
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24 August 2005, 10:57
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Town: Newquay, Cornwall.
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Is this the one you have
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24 August 2005, 13:14
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Member
Country: UK - England
Town: Bristol
Boat name: Orca
Make: Cranchi
Length: 7m +
Engine: Volvo Penta KAD43
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I've been toying with the idea of fitting on of these:
http://www.force4.co.uk/ProductDetai...6-6db22b05e5e4
In short it isolates your battery before it goes flat if you leave anything on.
Any thoughts?
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24 August 2005, 13:28
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Originally Posted by Michael S
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It all depends on how it reaches the trigger voltage (11.9v) if it reaches it quickly the battery will recover to a reasonable voltage but if the drain has taken a long time the battery will simply stay at the trigger voltage
When we tested this type of device some years ago we really couldn’t find one that justified the cost. Things might have changed but I really think that the fundamental principle of operation is flawed, far better to have twin batteries and a split charge system Des
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24 August 2005, 14:36
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Country: UK - England
Town: The wilds of Wiltshire
Boat name: Dominator
Make: SR5.4
Length: 7m +
Engine: Yam 85
MMSI: 235055163
Join Date: Jul 2005
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They fitted an equivalent to some small 12v commercial vehicles-as well as them being very common for 24v Leyland/Daf trucks. I'd like to bet it'd be half the price from a commercial vehicle spares outlet...
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24 August 2005, 17:03
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Country: UK - England
Town: liverpool
Boat name: summer
Make: tornado
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Engine: 115 yam outboard 2st
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Quote:
Originally Posted by roycruse
Is this the one you have
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thats the one
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25 August 2005, 00:34
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Country: UK - England
Town: Bristol
Boat name: Orca
Make: Cranchi
Length: 7m +
Engine: Volvo Penta KAD43
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Des,
I agree completely that two batteries would be way better but I just don't have the room. My battery is in my single jocky which also houses my aux. fuel tank. Thanks for your comments. Finding someone who had tested the thing was exactly what I was after.
Nos4r2,
They do make a commercial vehicle version and you're right it was cheaper, but less so than I expected and they claimed the marine version was different. You're probably right and there's no difference.
Cheers
Mike
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25 August 2005, 14:36
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RIBnet admin team
Country: UK - England
Town: The wilds of Wiltshire
Boat name: Dominator
Make: SR5.4
Length: 7m +
Engine: Yam 85
MMSI: 235055163
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Michael S
Des,
They do make a commercial vehicle version and you're right it was cheaper, but less so than I expected and they claimed the marine version was different. You're probably right and there's no difference.
Cheers
Mike
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The commercial one probably has a higher shutoff point-you're unlikely to be able to start a truck with 23.8v from cold-and bloody great solenoids to isolate tail lifts etc. You'd probably have to waterproof the switch too-but they look a hell of a lot prettier (black rocker switch)and have a flashing LED as part of the rocker switch to tell you if it's tripped.
Course, if you want to get something a whole load cheaper there's always this... http://www.sailgb.com/p/battery_guard_c8310/
I suspect if you were to cut the cables and route your accessory wiring through it then it'd do the job-as long as you havn't got 15 amps running through it continuously.
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