Beached Whale...I mean camel..

[Jono]

Nah! He'd never have called the Coastie... figure the embarrassment.. he'd a' called big Ian and me... we only want 15%.....

But aren't we bringing this discussion full circle? The thread about Mr Priddy and his sinking? Should the lives of "rescue service" personnel be put in jeopardy by people who are standing into danger by choice either for cold hard cash or personal gratification? If I recall, when the question was raised then, most people seemed to be of the opinion that they were "volunteers" or paid professionals so it was OK...Could be a looooooong thread....

[Louise]

Originally Posted by Jono

But aren't we bringing this discussion full circle? The thread about Mr Priddy and his sinking? Should the lives of "rescue service" personnel be put in jeopardy by people who are standing into danger by choice? Could be a looooooong thread....

Yes and no. It could be argued that the Jolly Sailor crew could not have predicted that they would get into such serious difficulties (or, at least, the odds were very small) having done the crossing a couple of times and been round the world with no major problems. However, Jono was fully aware of the conditions he was going out in and the chances of having a problem would have been fairly high I would think (from reading Jono G's own post).

P.S. The views expressed here are not necessarily the author's own.

[Jono]

Originally Posted by Louise

Yes and no. It could be argued that the Jolly Sailor crew could not have predicted that they would get into such serious difficulties (or, at least, the odds were very small) having done the crossing a couple of times and been round the world with no major problems

...


I must have my wires crossed. I thought that the reason for this journey was because "no one has done it before". Have I misread that somewhere? Apologies if I have. If the odds of getting into difficulties were very small, why was everyone making such a fuss about the event? I must be missing something.

[Louise]

The point (if I remember correctly) was that the crossing had not been made in that direction (ie from east to west) which is, apparently, reckoned to be 'harder' - I guess to do with direction of weather, tidal drift, etc but I am just guessing! If it was a 'rogue wave' (which is what Alan seems to be suggesting), then the chances of that happening must be pretty small in comparison to the chance of Jono G having a problem when he knowingly set out in a force 10!!!

[The Jackeens]

Well said Louise.

Anyone who organises anything (for charity or whatever) is taking a risk of sorts.

But good for you all for having the guts to do it.

Having seen Jono Garton in action on a Welsh Beach I can only imagine that his craft was in very safe hands indeed.

I'm sure when you put to sea Jono (the other one) you don't intend to have problems

Missus

[Jono]

Mmm. Let me think about that. Over two thousand miles (just guessing at distance) across seas described several times in various accounts as "hostile", "frightening", "threatening" over an extended period of time or 1/2 a mile in known conditions with a "safe haven" not too far away? Know which I'd choose as safer.... not that I'd do either... committed coward me!..

Oh? Which one needed the “rescue services” ?

I’m not saying that either was right or wrong. Just that there seems to be a distinct bias here just because cash was involved and not “Glory”…..

[The Jackeens]

Originally Posted by Jono

committed coward me!..

I don't think so!!!

You're planning a long distance soon aren't you!!!

(there you are...a little glory, free of charge )

Missus

[Jono]

Originally Posted by The Jackeens

I'm sure when you put to sea Jono (the other one) you don't intend to have problems

Missus

Absolutely righty! That's why I don't undertake epic journeys or heroic feats...
Me? I want to live to a ripe old age and pass away peacefully in bed... preferably with a young lady...

[The Jackeens]

Originally Posted by Jono

Me? I want to live to a ripe old age and pass away peacefully in bed... preferably with a young lady...

Nurse!!!!!

Missus

[Jono]

Originally Posted by The Jackeens

You're planning a long distance soon aren't you!!!

(there you are...a little glory, free of charge )

Missus

Thanks for the glory... but in reality, I've walked further..... ... and I'll be going in company.... and only if the sea is like glass.... and only if the sun is shining..... and only if my horoscope says "good fortune"... and only... Oh Hell! I think I'll take the ferry as usual....

[Louise]

Interesting point, Jono. I wonder what the statistics are regarding distance from a safe haven when assistance is required by a craft. With cars, apparently most accidents happen within a couple of miles of home. I would think it might be a similar case with vessels - skipper becomes complacent about 'home waters' or 'land in sight' and therefore does not necessarily check as carefully as he might if he was going on a 'long haul'. Not suggesting that's the case with Jono G though - as an instructor I'm sure he's always well prepared. Wonder what the statistics are for boats? Anyone know the answer?

P.S. Hope you had a good holiday Jono. We missed you!

[The Jackeens]

I shall write to Brittany Ferries Jono other one immediately to ensure they acknowledge your good sense and boating wisdom


Missus

[Louise]

Also, Jono, the point of trip was not just 'glory'; as I understand it, it had a charitable purpose too. Put that against someone putting to sea in those conditions purely for their own personal financial gain....

[Dave B]

If you go out and pull a vessel in that was going to hit the rocks or get washed up on to a beach and no one was aboard then you are entitled to all the salvage you can claim to the full extent of the law.
If however you “help out” and tow some one in that has broken down then you may be entitled to salvage ( dependant of course as to who handed who the tow rope) but in a kind and peaceful world that we would all like to live in (wishful thinking) I would take the pint or a small amount of remuneration dependant on the distance of the tow. Here in the Isle of Man we all help one another out, if someone was in difficulty then any of us would put our ribs in to go to the rescue (and have done in the past) saving the Port st Mary Inshore boat from launching. So common sense and decency must come into play as I am sure Jono would agree, If as it seems an idiot of the first degree is trying to wreck two boats in one week then hit his insurance as hard as you can. He could be the next call to the RNLI for assistance. Jono remember the idiot in North Wales who used his road maps for navigation, was it 3 times in 1 week the Rhyl boat had to help him out ?

[Jono]

Originally Posted by Louise

Also, Jono, the point of trip was not just 'glory'; as I understand it, it had a charitable purpose too. Put that against someone putting to sea in those conditions purely for their own personal financial gain....

Ok. Let's examine that statement shall we? The boat was to go to a charitable cause, yes? So the best way to get the boat to this cause in the best possible condition with the least amount of “wear and tear” would be how? Use it as a reason to “do a trip no one else has done before”, or snuggled up inside a container ship?…. Cash or Glory? What’s the big difference?

You know I’m being deliberately provocative don’t you?.. But I do love a lively and well-mannered debate….

Yes! Had a great holiday thanks... bit windy, but I think you might have guessed that

Well, the two incidents that I've witnessed recently were as close to home as you can get... both on moorings/anchor.. oh? ..and both owned by the same bloke....

[Louise]

Originally Posted by Jono

You know I’m being deliberately provocative don’t you?.. But I do love a lively and well-mannered debate….

Absolutely! Haven't enjoyed myself this much in ages - well OK I have but not on a computer!

So let's get back to the Pwhelli situation? (But I've got to go out now - buying prizes for the treasure hunt - you coming?)

Looking forward to seeing how (if?) this thread develops while I'm gone.

[The Jackeens]

Ah go off fishing in the real sea Jono. DM might lend you a few lines.

Missus

(look forward to seeing you soon you big messer)

[Jono]

Originally Posted by The Jackeens

Ah go off fishing in the real sea Jono. DM might lend you a few lines.

Missus

(look forward to seeing you soon you big messer)

I might, but statistically, fishermen at sea have THE most dangerous job.....

[Rogue Wave]

yes Dm's got plenty of lines but they are all from very old jokes.

By the wauy I can't think of a better use for a Camel rib than being the coffin in a Viking funeral

[Louise]

Originally Posted by The Jackeens

Ah go off fishing in the real sea Jono.

Who did cast their line out first???

Really do have to go now!!!