Best security for RIBs

[Nos4r2]

Cheers

That hublock looks impressive. I bet I could get one off in under 10 minutes though with the right tools and a little lateral thinking.

Saying that, 10 minutes is 10 minutes too long for a thief.

[ribit]

[quote=Nos4r2;181159] Cheers

I bet I could get one off in under 10 minutes though with the right tools and a little lateral thinking.

kinell.......thankfully your one of the good guys, as I assume using a computer would be beyond the average scum bag

[Biggles]

The problem with that JBS Hublock thing is you have to take your wheels off. Not very good if you use your boat once or twice a week.

Anyone know any good simple easy to put on wheel locks.

I'm using a SAS wheel clamp, a cheap thing I bought on EBay and a Bulldog Titan wheel clamp.

I would have thought, I will gladly be corrected here as I'm no welder, that if Oxy Acetylene was used to get them off the tyres would pop. Aren't the more expensive clamps made with reinforced steel. Probably wouldn't stop someone in a quiet yard nicking it but outside your house I would have thought they'd get noticed.

[Biggles]

Is this one easy to use.

http://www.saundersonsecurity.co.uk/...fessional.html

[Pete7]

Similar but cheaper, Towsure in Sarfhampton had sold out the other day though,

http://www.towsure.com/product.asp?p=13026

Originally Posted by ribit

kinell.......thankfully your one of the good guys, as I assume using a computer would be beyond the average scum bag

Unfortunately as this rare photo of the Garfish shows he does and has been practising his subtle lock picking techniques

[floater]

i am in the cctv business so if anybodys intrested i will put together a professional package which can be DIYed at cost

Also intresting article in Sports boat and RIB this month re security
there was a quote stating that camaflugeing (!?) Boat as Vauxhall cavalier may work or any Vauxhall for that matter :-)

Andy

[Biggles]

Originally Posted by floater

i am in the cctv business so if anybodys intrested i will put together a professional package which can be DIYed at cost

Also intresting article in Sports boat and RIB this month re security
there was a quote stating that camaflugeing (!?) Boat as Vauxhall cavalier may work or any Vauxhall for that matter :-)

Andy

Andy,

PM sent.

Regards Nick.

[Ian M]

Originally Posted by Nos4r2

I've been thinking about this for a bit as I don't want someone to take my boat either and I got thinking. What would I do if I wanted to steal a boat and what would put me off it? Think as though you're a thief and you'll get most of the answers.

So, let's go and steal a boat.

Matt,
Good post. Are you sure you put that together by just thinking about it - no practical experience?

[Nos4r2]

Originally Posted by Ian M

Matt,
Good post. Are you sure you put that together by just thinking about it - no practical experience?

I'd have a damn sight more money if I put it into practice!

I've had to 'deal' with a few hardened chains and locks and so on in the course of work.A long time ago I worked in a back street bike shop and breakers.The owner would buy anything-a lot of which had had the keys lost after being standing around in gardens/garages for years so we had to drag them into the pickup and deal with it in the yard. I was also trained in removing certain security measures by a security company. One of the byproducts of removing them in a safe manner is that it's silent.

And...(grammar ) I'm rather good with an oxy kit.

Obviously I'm not going to post any methods on here as anyone can read it and I'd like to bet there's potential thieves that read these forums(not registered members obviously).I'm quite happy to talk about it face to face though.

Wheelclamps:-

Yes it's possible to remove a clamp with an oxy kit without popping tyres. A gas axe isn't the only way to remove them either. What will make it harder/slower with a cutting torch is multiple layers of steel with gaps in between-box section with limited access for example. Lack of access for the torch head is another.Good stainless won't cut with a gas axe-it won't oxidise so has to be melted through. A gas axe will melt it but it'll take a hell of a lot longer. A grinder is a no-no unless the thief thinks there's no-one about to hear it and then they'll use one.

What you've really got to remember is that your hitchlock and wheelclamp is enough to deter opportunist thieves. Any that aren't put off by them are making a lot of money at it and will probably have expensive gear to get round any security measures you have in place. All you can do with these is either
a) catch them in the act.(be careful-there'll be more than one of them, they'll already be in a stolen vehicle and equipped for theft so they will try and get away at any cost. If they are caught they'll be going to prison.)
b)Frighten them off before they can start.
c)Make it not worth their while to steal it in the 1st place.
d)Make it easily identifiable. (goes with hand in hand with(c) ) Datatags and microdots work wonders here-as long as the warning stickers are in plain view.
e)If there's a failed attempt at theft of your boat MOVE IT.IMMEDIATELY. They know it's there and they know what security it has. They'll be back with the right tools the second time.

All anyone can do is make them move on to an easier target.

[jsbman]

Originally Posted by davetpk

Google for JSB Hublock - about to order one for my boat (sorry, not a rib :-( ) for use over winter storage - lots of threads in Caravan forums etc about how 3 or 4 hours with an acetylene torch won't get it off - apparently it melts the hub first !

Dave

Hello Dave,
I don't know if you have tried to contact us but I found your posting here through Google.
If you keep your RIB/boat on a trailer it's "ready to go" for the thieves unless you can "effectively" immobilise the trailer.
Wheel clamps and hitch locks are recomended by insurance, police and retail outlets because that is what is presently available.
We fitted these to our caravan which was stolen, then we became aware that wheel clamps and hitchlocks are easily removed by angle grinders, forced off by stilsons, and even the very best can be removed in 20 seconds using small portable oxyacetylene cutting gear. Chains, ground anchors, security posts, padlocks, steel security gates and fencing are also easily removed.
We realised that our new caravan was vulnerable since the thieves usually return in a couple of months knowing we will have a new replacement caravan "ready to go".
To resist an oxyacetylene attack was the big problem which no other device has so far managed to overcome, and this was the key.
Wheel clamps cannot be made secure.
Removing the wheels will immobilise the trailer but thieves do case the job and will bring a set of stolen wheels.
Locking bolts can be be removed easily using removal sockets.
Our answer is to bolt the JSB HUBLOCK directly to the brake hub using high security locking bolts. The holes in the disc are close tolerance around the bolts preventing use of sockets, bolt heads are anti drill.
The security bolts are now protected and can only be removed using the special key provided.
The disc can't be removed by oxyacetylene and tests have proved it's effectiveness (DVD available). A prolonged attack of 30 to 60 minutes would be required and would destroy the wheel bearings.
We have tested using a Stihl saw which took over 3 hours to remove the disc.
Many people have claimed they could remove the device in ten minutes or less, some very good engineers and mechanics, but all who have taken trouble to see the device have been convinced.
A thief can complete most jobs in less than ten minutes so the JSB HUBLOCK will be avoided, as we know from experience with three white vans and six burly thieves recently defeated. (posting Practical Caravan, forum, security and insurance, "the gypsies are back".)
The majority of our customers have had caravans stolen and understand the extent of the problem with 4,000 to 5,000 caravans stolen each year.
Many have had caravans stolen twice and a few three times, after spending a lot of money on wheel clamps, hitch locks, security posts, gates and fences.
This posting has been made to inform you of our experiences with caravans, similar to problems you have with RIB/Boat trailers.

[IBWET]

Originally Posted by floater

i am in the cctv business so if anybodys intrested i will put together a professional package which can be DIYed at cost

Also intresting article in Sports boat and RIB this month re security
there was a quote stating that camaflugeing (!?) Boat as Vauxhall cavalier may work or any Vauxhall for that matter :-)

Andy

Andy,

PM Sent.

Cheers

Iain.

[Shep Smythe]

My approach is threefold.

I take a wheel off (stored in house) and put it up on a yellow axel stand.

I also have a yellow 'hitch lock' on the trailer hitch.

Finally, I fly a skull and crossbones from the top of the house.

SS

[jsbman]

Originally Posted by Biggles

The problem with that JBS Hublock thing is you have to take your wheels off. Not very good if you use your boat once or twice a week.

Anyone know any good simple easy to put on wheel locks.

I'm using a SAS wheel clamp, a cheap thing I bought on EBay and a Bulldog Titan wheel clamp.

I would have thought, I will gladly be corrected here as I'm no welder, that if Oxy Acetylene was used to get them off the tyres would pop. Aren't the more expensive clamps made with reinforced steel. Probably wouldn't stop someone in a quiet yard nicking it but outside your house I would have thought they'd get noticed.

The JSB HUBLOCK takes 5 minutes to fit. If you've had boat stolen you'll be happy to do this.
A thief couldn't remove it in two hours.
There are lots of wheel clamps you can fit in a couple minutes, but thieves can get them off in less than half a minute.
The best wheel clamps are tested by SOLD SECURE, their test lasts two minutes and doesn't include oxyacetylene.
The HUBLOCK has been sold to well over one hundred customers, most to people who have had caravans stolen, some twice and even three times.
To date we haven't had any caravans stolen, or even heard of a failed attempt.
We know of one customer who returned to find six heavy set guys with three white vans, scratting their heads, looking at the HUBLOCK fitted to his son's caravan next door.
They had stolen their two caravans a couple of months earlier and had returned to take the new replacement vans.
When asked what they were doing they said they were collecting old scrap iron and then left.
Chains, ground anchors, security posts, wheel clamps and hitch locks have little resistance to oxyacetylene, the HUBLOCK is designed specifically to resist this. The website gives information and details of the testing carried out.
(www.jsbhublock.co.uk)

[fast fred]

smith & wesson, it's never failed.

[pathalla]

Originally Posted by fast fred

smith & wesson, it's never failed.

A insured by Smith and Wesson sticker on or around property does wonders in addition to the actual item, you see that, it creates a great deal of doubt.
One sure way to help prevent theft, lock it up in a building with no windows, out of site out of mind.