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04 December 2008, 20:41
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Originally Posted by JSP
Thanks for the explanation lads!
So when equipping out my next boat and remembering room is important would I be best just getting a sea anchor or sea anchor and drogue?
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To Clarify "Its the same bit of kit" and you wouldnt use a Drogue on a RIB
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04 December 2008, 20:45
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Originally Posted by teampulsar
Wondering why an Atlantic was out in this sea state and dunking the engines like this.
Is this standard training, or were they on a rescue?
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These guy's could have been exercising on station/giving inexperienced helms opportunity to get experience, in my opinion the Atlantic's are stern heavy and suffer from the pendulum affect.
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04 December 2008, 20:50
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Originally Posted by willk
So, cat and pigeon time. Can a large plastic basin/drum/bucket with an appropriate hole in the bottom be used as a sea anchor? Just asking...
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Yes it could... But...
The 30ft Yacht Sea Anchor I had was 3ft in diameter and it was useless. My current one is great, it is 5/6 ft in Diameter-
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/NEW-SEA-ANCHOR...1%7C240%3A1318
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04 December 2008, 20:51
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Originally Posted by willk
So, cat and pigeon time. Can a large plastic basin/drum/bucket with an appropriate hole in the bottom be used as a sea anchor? Just asking...
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They are £29 on ebay tightarse
You could always tie a knot in your trouser legs and use them
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04 December 2008, 20:55
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Originally Posted by Chris
They are £29 on ebay tightarse
You could always tie a knot in your trouser legs and use them
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Tight-arse perhaps, Big-arse never! It's the admixture of Kiltic genes.
Oh, and you can't coil your anchor warp in a sea anchor.....
And a useful person would have included a link
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04 December 2008, 20:56
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Like this (thnx)
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04 December 2008, 21:00
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Jono Garton
To Clarify "Its the same bit of kit" and you wouldnt use a Drogue on a RIB
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Cheers Jono
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04 December 2008, 21:35
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As a rule a sea anchor goes over the bow and is used for keeping the boat head to the weather/sea, it looks like a small parachute and has no holes in it.
A drogue is deployed off the stern of the boat/yacht and to slow it down when in rough weather, ie under bare pole the yacht is surfing and risks broaching. The drogue is usually more cone shaped hence letting some water through not completly stopping the boat and straing deck gear.
Even if the weather is fairly calm a sea anchor is useful as it'll keep the bow into the weather so it makes the likes of prop changes etc easier.
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04 December 2008, 21:46
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Thanks chewy, will get one
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04 December 2008, 21:49
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[QUOTE=Jono Garton;273933] Yes it could... But...
The 30ft Yacht Sea Anchor I had was 3ft in diameter and it was useless. My current one is great, it is 5/6 ft in Diameter-
Good info that , i have tried my small sea anchor about 18" across before when we have been fishing in a fresh wind and swell and its next to useless , doesn't even keep the boat nose to wind / waves .
What size would you recomend for a small 4m rib or sib . I really should have one that works as we are always messing about in the surf
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04 December 2008, 21:57
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On the Atlantics the sea anchor is roughly 4' across.
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04 December 2008, 23:15
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Originally Posted by chewy
On the Atlantics the sea anchor is roughly 4' across.
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how come it can't be seen in the video? or did i miss it?
they really seemed to bring it in quickly once they got one of the motors running again
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05 December 2008, 08:09
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Its rolled up into a ball about the size of two fists with the rope wrapped round it and a lump of lead on the rope.
On the vid I think you see one crew go forward into the bow, all he has to do is through it over the side, the lead sinks and pulls the anchor open. As someone else said you can see the boat swing round when the warp is taken up.
I'd have headed back in if that had happened to me.
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05 December 2008, 19:07
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Originally Posted by chewy
I'd have headed back in if that had happened to me.
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Both engines got dunked so short of rowing in they had to fix it where they were. I wonder if the Cox in future will either take the waves at an angle or only have enough throttle on to lift the bow to the approaching wave and not try to launch the boat into the stratosphere
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05 December 2008, 21:07
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Fixing it been dabbing the start buttons still they fire up again.
If the waves aren't breaking then running at an angle is fine but once it starts to break you need to hit em head on.
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05 December 2008, 21:33
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Originally Posted by chewy
Fixing it been dabbing the start buttons still they fire up again.
If the waves aren't breaking then running at an angle is fine but once it starts to break you need to hit em head on.
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Maybe, but not so fast as to nearly eject your crew into the oggin I’m glad they weren’t on a shout and were only training, I wonder if they learned anything, because it’s a balancing act between punching through the breaking wave and flipping the boat which they nearly did.
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05 December 2008, 21:51
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Originally Posted by Grasshopper
Maybe, but not so fast as to nearly eject your crew into the oggin I’m glad they weren’t on a shout and were only training, I wonder if they learned anything, because it’s a balancing act between punching through the breaking wave and flipping the boat which they nearly did.
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In every vid i have seen of those RNLI ribs they look very unbalnced always flying the bow over every wave. I imagine all the kit and a twin installation can't help.
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05 December 2008, 22:05
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Originally Posted by Chris
In every vid i have seen of those RNLI ribs they look very unbalnced always flying the bow over every wave. I imagine all the kit and a twin installation can't help.
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The conditions that they have to operate in would have most of us running for cover (including myself). I think they do there best with what they have got,I’m glad that they are there to come and get us when the sh1t hits the fan.
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05 December 2008, 22:18
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Grasshopper
The conditions that they have to operate in would have most of us running for cover (including myself). I think they do there best with what they have got,I’m glad that they are there to come and get us when the sh1t hits the fan.
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Agreed, just an observation.
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05 December 2008, 23:06
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Quote:
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Agreed, just an observation.
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I know what you mean it seems to be character of their boats, not sure I would like to be in one though.
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