Cabin RIB developments - Page 7

Manos · 10 January 2003, 17:49

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Originally posted by crazyhorse
Manos I hate to let you into a little secret but I will,

Unless you have a Cabin rib,weather it be a Scorpian or Redbay or others to follow,You aint going to get insurance to go offshore in a open Rib unless it is Ce marked to cat B.

I undersatnd you will now start talking about GZ curves and ISO standards with which I agree.
However, as far as I know most of the larger RIBs todate are classed as Cat B. So they are offshore RIBs. This category will remain (have asked EU in Brussels) in effect for those RIBs irrespective of any new legislation that may be ratified. So there is no problem about older certified Cat B crafts.

The new design/built RIBs to be calssified as Cat B Offshore will have to have all the requiremets that are specified by the new legislation if and when is ratified. So there is no problem again if their builders/designers obtain all those certificates

crazyhorse · 10 January 2003, 17:55

We are in no disagreement then.

The future rosee for Cabin ribs.

Yipee

Manos · 10 January 2003, 18:29

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Originally posted by crazyhorse
We are in no disagreement then.

The future rosee for Cabin ribs.

Yipee

We NEVER were in disagreement.

I also want to get a cabin RIB (my daughter wants an inside fast boat LOLOL

) up to 9 mtrs LOA, light and trailerable AND WITH ALL COMFORTS INSIDE AND OUTSIDE (Med style).
But as these types of RIBs are relatively new, some builders just produce streached versions of their open RIBs and all the other problems we know I am just waiting to see what the future holds and make up my mind at a later stage.
HOWEVER, I will always have an open RIB LOLOL

crazyhorse · 10 January 2003, 18:32

The only advantage a smaller open rib has against a cabin rib is its initial cost,and that it is easy to tow around and park up.

All ribs are just great boats,I agree cabin ribs are different animals than a small open rib but personaly, If Im on the water I have just as much interest in a rib no matter what size and the people in it.

Manos · 10 January 2003, 18:46

For a hobby costs are immaterial. I believe that you do a hobby because you can afford it and because the money you spend on doing it is spare. Hobbies do not have value because pleasure has not value.

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If Im on the water I have just as much interest in a rib no matter what size and the people in it.

If I were you I'll re-phrase that. You do not know what you get your self in for LOLOL

crazyhorse · 10 January 2003, 21:13

Manos you been on that Sangria again?

Manos · 11 January 2003, 06:55

Was brousing the net and this is wahat I found.

There was also a note about the boat and the Director of the company. Hope he can share some info about the boat with us

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The DELTA 140 Patrol is a 14-metre RIB with a GRP hull and aluminium superstructure. Propulsion is via twin Volvo Penta 450hp diesel engines and Kamewa K32 Water Jets, giving a maximum speed of 38 knots (@ 10 tonnes). Fitted out to a high specification, the DELTA 140 Patrol is aimed primarily at Military, Police, Customs and Coast Guard operations, but can also cover a wider range of usage.Mr. Charles Dyas, Managing Director of DELTA Power Services commented,
"There has been a positive and extremely enthusiastic response to the launch and we at DELTA were delighted to see new and existing clients. A great day was had by all!"

Manos · 11 January 2003, 06:57

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Originally posted by crazyhorse
Manos you been on that Sangria again?

Don't understand

but is OK

Andre · 15 January 2003, 16:01

Manos

As it happens I recognise that rib very much cos I had the privilege of being invited to the launch and went out on it on the Solent.
Must say it is quite a rib. Superb handling , very comfortable ride once seated in the wheelhouse and goes like a bat out of hell. However a typical commercial application ideal for SAR ect,

Andre

Manos · 15 January 2003, 16:08

Thanks very much. I am interested on that RIB but with a small modification on the bridge for cruising in the Med.
As I found this on a site that was talking about boats in general it didn't have any details.
Do you hapen to know who I should contact for further details on the boat, price, engine configuration etc??
Please let me know.

Cheers

Manos

Alan · 15 January 2003, 16:42

Manos,

Delta's website : www.deltapower.co.uk however they made a decision a couple of years ago to concentrate on the commercial market and do not therefore get CE approval of their boats so can't sell you one. Leastways not as a private customer.

Buy it through a company and I imagine thats a different story.

Cheers,
Alan

crazyhorse · 15 January 2003, 16:55

That is a great boat Manos if you want any info in getting it through rcd catergories email me.

You will have to conform to a lot of criteria,but I feel it will be mostly in compliance.If it has jets in it then its all down to what you want to use the boat for.IE application.I have to say I do like it.

Dirk Diggler · 15 January 2003, 17:00

Crazyhorse,

would you happen to know what the formula is for max hp on ribs.

It's something like: length in metres x beam in metres x ? - ? = max power in KW, any ideas.

Manos · 15 January 2003, 17:00

MANY Thanks. But lets see what these people say first.
I can buy the boat through a company no probs.

crazyhorse · 15 January 2003, 17:19

Good point Dirk,

I do know I had a problem with my insurance who would not cover a rib with a 6.5 mtr with 200hp engine on the back.

Its a good question and before one buys a rib check out weathere you can get 1st offshore insurance cover 2nd that its ok for the insurance mans hp ratings.

Not sure on smaller boats what the rcd or mac requirments are.?

There is a formula and if you wing it then so be it.The insurance man just will not pay out.

Dirk Diggler · 15 January 2003, 17:35

Just spoke to a mate of mine who builds boats, the formula for Max hp on a rib is as follows:

Length in metres X Width in metres X 10 - 33 = Max power in KW

For Sportsboats it is:

Length in metres X Width in metres X 16 - 67 = Max power in KW

These means that you can have more power in a sportsboat than a rib of similar size, even allowing for the narrower beam of a sportsboat.

crazyhorse · 15 January 2003, 17:42

how does that big outbord Scorpian pan out then?

Me maths is awfull too.whats the -33 bit?

Dirk Diggler · 15 January 2003, 18:00

It's just part of the formula. Don't forget this all originated from Brussels, and what the hell do they know. I suspect it's jobs for the boys.

As for the Scorpion and similar boats, who knows.

If the formula is correct, and I've no reason to suspect otherwise, then boats like the 9.5 metre Scorpion with twin 300hp outboards are grossly overpowered.

I wouldn't like to try to make an insurance claim on that one.

crazyhorse · 15 January 2003, 18:04

In english What im saying is that recomendations for products that we have also own should be thought about very carfully,as sometimes our enthusiasm can dull our focus and some may feel a loyalty to supporting there palls views when it could cost you and him a lot of money and others, as being the bearer of bad new is not always percieved with the right intent.

Sometimes.

Dirk Diggler · 15 January 2003, 18:07

Can you try that again in English