Cabin RIB developments - Page 8

Jonny Fuller · 15 January 2003, 18:14

So Crazyhorse,
Looks like what you were saying to me a few weeks ago about my boat isn't strictly true! maybe I'm the only guy on here who actually knows his boat isn't CE marked, and everybody else just thinks there's are, but they're actually not! I don't think much of that

crazyhorse · 15 January 2003, 18:20

Well john I do hate being the bearer of the bad news but there are some who think it will be no problem but I believe it will be for them.

If they dont want to know then so be it.it isnt my problem.

Dirk Diggler · 15 January 2003, 18:25

Isn't there some exemption if the boat is a self build, and it's not put up for sale for a number of years after completion. 7 years ring a bell, but why it should be ok after then is a mystery.

Jonny Fuller · 15 January 2003, 18:27

Crazyhorse,
It's not really news of any sort for me, good, bad or indifferent, my boat was built for me by phantom and delivered as a "bare boat" the onus was allways on me with this one with regards to rcd, to be honest, the more I look at it, and all the boats at the show's that clearly wouldn't pass the most basic parts of the tests(and that includes a lot of the big names) I think it's all bo****ks! time will tell I geuss

crazyhorse · 15 January 2003, 18:28

Yes there is its and its 5 yrs.

A protortype also has exemption.

Jonny Fuller · 15 January 2003, 18:32

Crazyhorse,
you hounded me about CE marking and stuff, so how about your background, why the secret, and some pics of your rib, pretty please

John Kennett · 15 January 2003, 18:37

Quote:

Originally posted by Dirk Diggler
Just spoke to a mate of mine who builds boats, the formula for Max hp on a rib is as follows:

Length in metres X Width in metres X 10 - 33 = Max power in KW

Exactly who sets this limit? Or is this just another of your little wind ups?

As far as I am aware, it is up to each individual manufacturer to asses the limits of their boats. So long as the power is within the manufacturer's recommended range then there should be no insurance implications.

John

crazyhorse · 15 January 2003, 18:38

I agree that some of it is nonesence and that some boats up for sale in my opinion are realy lacking.

But as far as stability criteria go Im all for it as In my opinion the Trade needs a good kick up the back side as they could sell you any old dog of a boat with engines on it.

Some were unsafe in my opinion Iso 12217 gives you a real definable guide line to whats realistick from your boat Stability capabilities.If you note not many builders are offering a copy of the GZ curves out in the literature.

As we know its then down to us as owners to be realistick about our experiance and conditions we encounter.

crazyhorse · 15 January 2003, 18:41

JK I know that there is a limit to which the insurance companies run with.

Im also aware that there is a limiting formular for MCA coding.

Dont know what it is or weather it has changed.

Jonny Fuller · 15 January 2003, 18:43

With respect JK I think your wrong!

Jonny Fuller · 15 January 2003, 18:45

I'm sure Steve Baker told me that his hull used on the phantom evolution 7.5 metre has a max ce rating of about 225hp in that application!

Manos · 15 January 2003, 18:48

Well guys the FALCON is OK then

i.e.
with what you said I assumed LOA end of pontoons to bow (not hull length) and beam total beam (not inside beam).

7 mtrs x 2.5 x 16 - 67 = 213KW

I have a 200 BHP so I can go up to 250 BHP if I wanted to.
However, the manufacturer suggests max 200 bhp and they say the boat also flies (achieving speeds of 90 kms/hour with 130 BHP)

The boat has CE, ISO, BIASA, SAMSA, DOT and MA-16 certificates

crazyhorse · 15 January 2003, 18:53

Thanks for the interest in me Jon,I will take it as a compliment.

As I said earlier im just a normal guy,who has strong beliefs with regardes to ribs .As the way I see it they are the boats of the future.

You dont need anything more than that.I am known to a few and hope this will increase in the future.

You will see my boat in the press soon.You can then tell me what you think?

Im sure if you think its got any foults you will point them out.I do hope you also point out any things you like too.

It sure is no racer just the ideal cruiser for me and my family anyway.

Crazyhorse

Dirk Diggler · 15 January 2003, 18:59

JK, I'm hurt. This is not as you put it another of my wind ups.

I am simply contributing to the forum with what I believe to be a useful piece of info.

The formula that I have given is supposedly for Outboard powered craft, drawn up by some fool in Brussels. This apparently is fact!

Rather than have a go at me I suggest that you make some enquiries of your own, possibly ask the RYA who I believe are a Notified Body for the Recreational Craft Directive.

The person who gave me the info is a Boatbuilder, who's boats comply with the directive. He says that he went to numerous courses, seminars etc, and invested a considerable amount of time and money. He also employed a Notified Body to do the necessary tests for his boats to pass the tests. He did not do this alone, he shared the expense of testing etc with a well known Rib manufacturer who also works to these rules and regulations.

He does say that this was a couple of months prior to the regulations coming into force in 1998, but he has no reason to doubt their current validity.

He is also of the opinion that a large majority of boats being built are not conforming to the rules.

Awaiting your prompt reply

Dirk

Jonny Fuller · 15 January 2003, 19:02

I wouldn't criticise your boat, I know very little about rib's so to make a judgement would be foolish, I'm sure I would be torn appart (again)

crazyhorse · 15 January 2003, 19:08

Dirk you will have your day im sure.

Its good for me as it can help make changes I maybe would not of done as Im wanting to always building in exess on every front.

eg n8 fuel tanks 2x 80 gals

The boat is alloy anyway.

crazyhorse · 15 January 2003, 19:17

Im of the belief that all people and boats have something valuble to offer.

The Art of the game is to pick which people and which bits of the boats.

Thats the difficult bit.

Dirk Diggler · 15 January 2003, 19:19

Signed. MR C HORSE. Philosopher

Manos · 15 January 2003, 19:25

I am not an expert on boat insurance but when I insured my various boats from time to time the insurer always asks LOA, BHP, year of built etc etc and navigating limits that you want them to cover you. The premium fluctuates accordingly.
Also they have some requirements i.e. when I wanted to take a 48 ft cruiser to Greece from the UK I was quoted a relative large premium and also I was only covered with the proviso that two of the people onboard had ICCs and one had a marine engineers certificate also had to produce copies of their certificates before cover.
Similar thing happened when I sailed a 38 ft catamaran from Marseille to Greece three years ago.
However, no one asked me for the CE or any other type of certificate for the boat.
Further, my RIB which I have in Greece is British registered and is covered by a German insurer and Lloyd's underwriters again the boat is covered (fully comp) for East Med ex war zones but without navigational limits and the premium is 380 Euros/year. No CE or other type of certificate was requested.
The question is whether this CE certification is a con or not since no one seem to give any bit of notice to it.

crazyhorse · 15 January 2003, 19:32

That email that I sent t MCA asking for a clear definition eg actual limits of cat C boats and B boats,

I never got a responce too?.

Think I will chase it up and make there day.